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Feb 13, 2014
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I just finished IT and really enjoyed it. Great plot and well explained. BUT I must have missed (and can't find on my Kindle) any reference to what happened to Beverly after the Losers get out of the sewers and return to their normal lives as children. Before the first showdown, Beverly is fleeing from her crazed father, who seems to want to kill her. She survives to adulthood and the father isn't dead so what happened when saw her for the first time after the sewer trip? It's a loose thread (the only serious one) in my recollections of the book and I would like to sort it out.
Any ideas?
 

FlakeNoir

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#4
I shall just have to hope that someone has an answer. It was left in the air that she was actually in mortal danger and, for some reason, I need a resolution.
Amazing, isn't it, that total fiction can be so real to us.
Calling @Robert Gray... this book is one of his specialties, he may have a satisfying answer for you. :)
 
#8
I just finished IT and really enjoyed it. Great plot and well explained. BUT I must have missed (and can't find on my Kindle) any reference to what happened to Beverly after the Losers get out of the sewers and return to their normal lives as children. Before the first showdown, Beverly is fleeing from her crazed father, who seems to want to kill her. She survives to adulthood and the father isn't dead so what happened when saw her for the first time after the sewer trip? It's a loose thread (the only serious one) in my recollections of the book and I would like to sort it out.
Any ideas?

Sai King does not fill in the direct details of what happened in the Marsh house, but I suspect I can get pretty close to the mark with the clues that the Tale-slinger left for us in the text. I will do it as a spoiler since it covers information in the book we are discussing and another book: 11/22/63 which also takes place at least partially in Derry. The clues left to us exist in the text where it discusses Beverly remembering her childhood and moving out toward College as well as the other book I mention. If you haven't read it yet, I caution you that I might reveal things you will want to see in the other book. Considers the following:

1. Her father isn't someone who could have afforded to pay for College nor would he have had any desire for her to attend.
2. With the presence of It gone to sleep for awhile after the Losers battled it as kids, her father would likely have either forgotten what happened or been horrified.
3. Think about what Beverly is doing for a living when her abusive husband meets her later and what kind of background that would entail (rather than College).
4. This one is most important, remember that Beverly's mother asks her if her father ever "touched" her at one point with great seriousness.

It Spoilers:
I want to make it clear that I am not Sai King nor do I have a direct pipeline. But from the story it seems to imply that Beverly Marsh's mother has concerns about her husband. While she is clearly abused too, she doesn't entirely fit the stereotype of an abused woman either. Our brief meeting with her shows her to be much stronger than one might expect. She might tolerate the excessive punishments and violence of her husband to a degree, but I think is clear there are limits and that she has been watching (and worrying herself) about her husband. The odd question she asks Beverly has to come from that concern, and that concern has to come from a source. Moreover, if she wouldn't act on those concerns, she wouldn't ask in the first place. She would look the other way and pretend nothing is happening. We also have to look at Beverly herself. She has a strength and that comes from somewhere. Her mother cannot be ruled out.

What I'm saying here is a lot of people saw Beverly run from that house screaming. The influence of It was abated for the time being. Derry isn't a big town. Her mother was going to hear about it. Her mother was going to see them come home and the state they were in. Her mother was going to know something happened. I think that event was a catalyst for Beverly Marsh's mother to take her out of the Marsh home. They didn't go far, of course, and remained in Derry. I'm sure there were all sorts of reconciliation attempts by her father and several painful blow ups. I think, however, that Beverly ended up in a different household. I think her mother worked her ass off and made sure that her daughter got into College. I think what we know about Beverly indicates she probably worked her ass off too. There weren't a lot of scholarships for girls in those days and certainly not for the things Beverly was good at at, so we must assume that mother and daughter worked it out for themselves. We know that Beverly's mother is dead by the time of this book, and her father (with whom she has little contact) still hit her up for money from time to time. This indicates to me that some contact was kept (as I suggest above) while Beverly continued to grow up, but it was never the same again.

11/22/63 Spoilers
In the book 11/22/63 we see Beverly and Richie playing together after the event. They aren't in the Barrens. They are dancing with one another next to a public street. There is no way Beverly would have risked this exposure if she still lived under her father's jurisdiction. Beverly and Richie are carefree and it isn't just because It has gone to sleep. Beverly must have been released from her less supernatural bondage as well (or at least have it abated). I suppose we could assume that Mr. Marsh is so horrified by what he did that he relaxes the reigns after the events in It, but I don't think that is enough. Even if he relaxed the reigns somewhat that wouldn't see a young Beverly Marsh dancing with a boy out in the open. And if we assume that Mr. Marsh just forgot everything, that wouldn't explain Beverly's carefree attitude either. Her father would still be an ogre and she would still be hiding things from him. The preponderance of the evidence is that not too long after the Losers battle It as children Beverly Marsh is no under her father's dominion directly.
 
Feb 13, 2014
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#9
@Robert Gray
Thanks for two things.
Firstly you put me at ease about having missed something explicit in the book (the Kindle effect). I can be reassured that my comprehension is not too bad.
Secondly, for the idea that it would be reasonable for her father to have more or less forgotten about the time he was under the influence of IT. As far as Beverly was concerned, all that stuff with her father would have been a long way down her list of horrors of that day.
I must read some more King, soon.
 
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mjs9153

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#10
RG is the man..now,what happens to Beverly after she leaves with Ben at the end?I think they went back to Hemingford Home in NE,where everything was fine for awhile..until one night Ben goes back to the Wagon Wheel,and gets Ricky Lee to serve his Wild Turkey and lemon nosedrops,and he goes home and offs Beverly..that damn clown always wins in the end.. ;)
 
#11
Sai King does not fill in the direct details of what happened in the Marsh house, but I suspect I can get pretty close to the mark with the clues that the Tale-slinger left for us in the text. I will do it as a spoiler since it covers information in the book we are discussing and another book: 11/22/63 which also takes place at least partially in Derry. The clues left to us exist in the text where it discusses Beverly remembering her childhood and moving out toward College as well as the other book I mention. If you haven't read it yet, I caution you that I might reveal things you will want to see in the other book. Considers the following:

1. Her father isn't someone who could have afforded to pay for College nor would he have had any desire for her to attend.
2. With the presence of It gone to sleep for awhile after the Losers battled it as kids, her father would likely have either forgotten what happened or been horrified.
3. Think about what Beverly is doing for a living when her abusive husband meets her later and what kind of background that would entail (rather than College).
4. This one is most important, remember that Beverly's mother asks her if her father ever "touched" her at one point with great seriousness.

It Spoilers:
I want to make it clear that I am not Sai King nor do I have a direct pipeline. But from the story it seems to imply that Beverly Marsh's mother has concerns about her husband. While she is clearly abused too, she doesn't entirely fit the stereotype of an abused woman either. Our brief meeting with her shows her to be much stronger than one might expect. She might tolerate the excessive punishments and violence of her husband to a degree, but I think is clear there are limits and that she has been watching (and worrying herself) about her husband. The odd question she asks Beverly has to come from that concern, and that concern has to come from a source. Moreover, if she wouldn't act on those concerns, she wouldn't ask in the first place. She would look the other way and pretend nothing is happening. We also have to look at Beverly herself. She has a strength and that comes from somewhere. Her mother cannot be ruled out.

What I'm saying here is a lot of people saw Beverly run from that house screaming. The influence of It was abated for the time being. Derry isn't a big town. Her mother was going to hear about it. Her mother was going to see them come home and the state they were in. Her mother was going to know something happened. I think that event was a catalyst for Beverly Marsh's mother to take her out of the Marsh home. They didn't go far, of course, and remained in Derry. I'm sure there were all sorts of reconciliation attempts by her father and several painful blow ups. I think, however, that Beverly ended up in a different household. I think her mother worked her ass off and made sure that her daughter got into College. I think what we know about Beverly indicates she probably worked her ass off too. There weren't a lot of scholarships for girls in those days and certainly not for the things Beverly was good at at, so we must assume that mother and daughter worked it out for themselves. We know that Beverly's mother is dead by the time of this book, and her father (with whom she has little contact) still hit her up for money from time to time. This indicates to me that some contact was kept (as I suggest above) while Beverly continued to grow up, but it was never the same again.

11/22/63 Spoilers
In the book 11/22/63 we see Beverly and Richie playing together after the event. They aren't in the Barrens. They are dancing with one another next to a public street. There is no way Beverly would have risked this exposure if she still lived under her father's jurisdiction. Beverly and Richie are carefree and it isn't just because It has gone to sleep. Beverly must have been released from her less supernatural bondage as well (or at least have it abated). I suppose we could assume that Mr. Marsh is so horrified by what he did that he relaxes the reigns after the events in It, but I don't think that is enough. Even if he relaxed the reigns somewhat that wouldn't see a young Beverly Marsh dancing with a boy out in the open. And if we assume that Mr. Marsh just forgot everything, that wouldn't explain Beverly's carefree attitude either. Her father would still be an ogre and she would still be hiding things from him. The preponderance of the evidence is that not too long after the Losers battle It as children Beverly Marsh is no under her father's dominion directly.

This is quite nicely thought through. I kind of assumed that the influence of IT kind of faded back enough that life went on as usual (which was not so great, but not so bad as the murderous rampage of the big battle day). But I like your take on the custodial parenting part of things too. That explains 11/22/63 nicely. Enjoyed your post. Now if you'd be kind enough to fill in my last remaining burning question from IT, my life will be complete: How many cans did Stan know over with the bull's-eye? I've been dying to know. ;)
 

Kurben

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Apr 12, 2014
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#12
I just finished IT and really enjoyed it. Great plot and well explained. BUT I must have missed (and can't find on my Kindle) any reference to what happened to Beverly after the Losers get out of the sewers and return to their normal lives as children. Before the first showdown, Beverly is fleeing from her crazed father, who seems to want to kill her. She survives to adulthood and the father isn't dead so what happened when saw her for the first time after the sewer trip? It's a loose thread (the only serious one) in my recollections of the book and I would like to sort it out.
Any ideas?
Don't know if my explanation is the right one but this is how i saw it. Bevs father is a bad and weak person. He doesn't mind hitting her if she does anything wrong which can be anything from dropping a glass to saying the wrong thing but he, at the bottom, likes her. People like this is much easier for, shall we say, the spirit of IT to take over and do things they wouldn't normally do. So after the sewer trip when IT retired badly wounded he couldn't take over her father again. She was, of course, beaten with great regularity until she moved away and she was scared of him but i dont think he ever should try to kill her if he wasn't under the influence of IT. There is another example of this taking over in Mike Hanlons notes that we read here and there about the history of the town. Dont remember the names in the example but is in there somewhere.
 

Rockym

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Feb 11, 2012
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#13
RG is the man..now,what happens to Beverly after she leaves with Ben at the end?I think they went back to Hemingford Home in NE,where everything was fine for awhile..until one night Ben goes back to the Wagon Wheel,and gets Ricky Lee to serve his Wild Turkey and lemon nosedrops,and he goes home and offs Beverly..that damn clown always wins in the end.. ;)
I just finished re-reading It again for the umpteenth time and was wondering that myself. I love the couple and was happy they got together at the end. I think they stayed together, but not in Hemingford Home. In the Last Interlude part, some time after Ben and Bev left together, Mike had tried calling Ben's number in NE, but got the message that service was discontinued for that number. So if they did indeed stay together, they either went to Chicago or moved someplace else.

But what I'm really wondering is how the "forgetting" will affect them. Would they remember more than the others because they were together? Or would they just remember that they were childhood friends who just met up again later in life and got together?

I also feel that there could be another story, perhaps a sequel to It, in the vein of Dr Sleep, how it was a sequel to The Shining. The story could follow what happened to Ben and Beverly after they left Derry together. All we knew when they left was that they came to say goodbye to Mike, looking very much in love and then they just drove off together. Mike had talked to Richie afterward but not them.

I don't know about anyone else, but I sure hope they stayed together and maybe got married.
 

blunthead

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Aug 2, 2006
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#14
I just finished IT and really enjoyed it. Great plot and well explained. BUT I must have missed (and can't find on my Kindle) any reference to what happened to Beverly after the Losers get out of the sewers and return to their normal lives as children. Before the first showdown, Beverly is fleeing from her crazed father, who seems to want to kill her. She survives to adulthood and the father isn't dead so what happened when saw her for the first time after the sewer trip? It's a loose thread (the only serious one) in my recollections of the book and I would like to sort it out.
Any ideas?
Hello...?
 

blunthead

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Aug 2, 2006
80,756
195,356
Atlanta GA
#16
Sai King does not fill in the direct details of what happened in the Marsh house, but I suspect I can get pretty close to the mark with the clues that the Tale-slinger left for us in the text. I will do it as a spoiler since it covers information in the book we are discussing and another book: 11/22/63 which also takes place at least partially in Derry. The clues left to us exist in the text where it discusses Beverly remembering her childhood and moving out toward College as well as the other book I mention. If you haven't read it yet, I caution you that I might reveal things you will want to see in the other book. Considers the following:

1. Her father isn't someone who could have afforded to pay for College nor would he have had any desire for her to attend.
2. With the presence of It gone to sleep for awhile after the Losers battled it as kids, her father would likely have either forgotten what happened or been horrified.
3. Think about what Beverly is doing for a living when her abusive husband meets her later and what kind of background that would entail (rather than College).
4. This one is most important, remember that Beverly's mother asks her if her father ever "touched" her at one point with great seriousness.

It Spoilers:
I want to make it clear that I am not Sai King nor do I have a direct pipeline. But from the story it seems to imply that Beverly Marsh's mother has concerns about her husband. While she is clearly abused too, she doesn't entirely fit the stereotype of an abused woman either. Our brief meeting with her shows her to be much stronger than one might expect. She might tolerate the excessive punishments and violence of her husband to a degree, but I think is clear there are limits and that she has been watching (and worrying herself) about her husband. The odd question she asks Beverly has to come from that concern, and that concern has to come from a source. Moreover, if she wouldn't act on those concerns, she wouldn't ask in the first place. She would look the other way and pretend nothing is happening. We also have to look at Beverly herself. She has a strength and that comes from somewhere. Her mother cannot be ruled out.

What I'm saying here is a lot of people saw Beverly run from that house screaming. The influence of It was abated for the time being. Derry isn't a big town. Her mother was going to hear about it. Her mother was going to see them come home and the state they were in. Her mother was going to know something happened. I think that event was a catalyst for Beverly Marsh's mother to take her out of the Marsh home. They didn't go far, of course, and remained in Derry. I'm sure there were all sorts of reconciliation attempts by her father and several painful blow ups. I think, however, that Beverly ended up in a different household. I think her mother worked her ass off and made sure that her daughter got into College. I think what we know about Beverly indicates she probably worked her ass off too. There weren't a lot of scholarships for girls in those days and certainly not for the things Beverly was good at at, so we must assume that mother and daughter worked it out for themselves. We know that Beverly's mother is dead by the time of this book, and her father (with whom she has little contact) still hit her up for money from time to time. This indicates to me that some contact was kept (as I suggest above) while Beverly continued to grow up, but it was never the same again.

11/22/63 Spoilers
In the book 11/22/63 we see Beverly and Richie playing together after the event. They aren't in the Barrens. They are dancing with one another next to a public street. There is no way Beverly would have risked this exposure if she still lived under her father's jurisdiction. Beverly and Richie are carefree and it isn't just because It has gone to sleep. Beverly must have been released from her less supernatural bondage as well (or at least have it abated). I suppose we could assume that Mr. Marsh is so horrified by what he did that he relaxes the reigns after the events in It, but I don't think that is enough. Even if he relaxed the reigns somewhat that wouldn't see a young Beverly Marsh dancing with a boy out in the open. And if we assume that Mr. Marsh just forgot everything, that wouldn't explain Beverly's carefree attitude either. Her father would still be an ogre and she would still be hiding things from him. The preponderance of the evidence is that not too long after the Losers battle It as children Beverly Marsh is no under her father's dominion directly.
Why you know so much.
 

Rockym

Well-Known Member
Feb 11, 2012
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#17
Sai King does not fill in the direct details of what happened in the Marsh house, but I suspect I can get pretty close to the mark with the clues that the Tale-slinger left for us in the text. I will do it as a spoiler since it covers information in the book we are discussing and another book: 11/22/63 which also takes place at least partially in Derry. The clues left to us exist in the text where it discusses Beverly remembering her childhood and moving out toward College as well as the other book I mention. If you haven't read it yet, I caution you that I might reveal things you will want to see in the other book. Considers the following:

1. Her father isn't someone who could have afforded to pay for College nor would he have had any desire for her to attend.
2. With the presence of It gone to sleep for awhile after the Losers battled it as kids, her father would likely have either forgotten what happened or been horrified.
3. Think about what Beverly is doing for a living when her abusive husband meets her later and what kind of background that would entail (rather than College).
4. This one is most important, remember that Beverly's mother asks her if her father ever "touched" her at one point with great seriousness.

It Spoilers:
I want to make it clear that I am not Sai King nor do I have a direct pipeline. But from the story it seems to imply that Beverly Marsh's mother has concerns about her husband. While she is clearly abused too, she doesn't entirely fit the stereotype of an abused woman either. Our brief meeting with her shows her to be much stronger than one might expect. She might tolerate the excessive punishments and violence of her husband to a degree, but I think is clear there are limits and that she has been watching (and worrying herself) about her husband. The odd question she asks Beverly has to come from that concern, and that concern has to come from a source. Moreover, if she wouldn't act on those concerns, she wouldn't ask in the first place. She would look the other way and pretend nothing is happening. We also have to look at Beverly herself. She has a strength and that comes from somewhere. Her mother cannot be ruled out.

What I'm saying here is a lot of people saw Beverly run from that house screaming. The influence of It was abated for the time being. Derry isn't a big town. Her mother was going to hear about it. Her mother was going to see them come home and the state they were in. Her mother was going to know something happened. I think that event was a catalyst for Beverly Marsh's mother to take her out of the Marsh home. They didn't go far, of course, and remained in Derry. I'm sure there were all sorts of reconciliation attempts by her father and several painful blow ups. I think, however, that Beverly ended up in a different household. I think her mother worked her ass off and made sure that her daughter got into College. I think what we know about Beverly indicates she probably worked her ass off too. There weren't a lot of scholarships for girls in those days and certainly not for the things Beverly was good at at, so we must assume that mother and daughter worked it out for themselves. We know that Beverly's mother is dead by the time of this book, and her father (with whom she has little contact) still hit her up for money from time to time. This indicates to me that some contact was kept (as I suggest above) while Beverly continued to grow up, but it was never the same again.

11/22/63 Spoilers
In the book 11/22/63 we see Beverly and Richie playing together after the event. They aren't in the Barrens. They are dancing with one another next to a public street. There is no way Beverly would have risked this exposure if she still lived under her father's jurisdiction. Beverly and Richie are carefree and it isn't just because It has gone to sleep. Beverly must have been released from her less supernatural bondage as well (or at least have it abated). I suppose we could assume that Mr. Marsh is so horrified by what he did that he relaxes the reigns after the events in It, but I don't think that is enough. Even if he relaxed the reigns somewhat that wouldn't see a young Beverly Marsh dancing with a boy out in the open. And if we assume that Mr. Marsh just forgot everything, that wouldn't explain Beverly's carefree attitude either. Her father would still be an ogre and she would still be hiding things from him. The preponderance of the evidence is that not too long after the Losers battle It as children Beverly Marsh is no under her father's dominion directly.
I believe Mr. Marsh was possessed by It or even It in a different form when he was chasing Beverly. If you remember, when the little boy Lars saw them run past, he saw Mr. Marsh changing into a spidery shape. So it might not have been Mr. Marsh at all.

As for 11/22/63:

Richie and Bev weren't playing, they were back in school by then and were practicing for a school talent show or dance contest. I think it was said that it was September or October then, the summer was over. And I don't remember them being on the street, but in a park or wooded area or something like that.
 

Karloff

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#18
Hi everyone ;) This is my first post on this forum :) Greetings from Poland ! ;)

IT is by far my favourite book of all time. Words cannot describe how I love.. IT ;)

Honestly, I know the story really well. I read random chapters almost everyday and remember pretty sick details BUT I cannot find a line telling about Elfridas passing.. Please, let me know where is that line.

I know in which chapters to look for it but I still haven't found anything.
 

FlakeNoir

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#19
Hi everyone ;) This is my first post on this forum :) Greetings from Poland ! ;)

IT is by far my favourite book of all time. Words cannot describe how I love.. IT ;)

Honestly, I know the story really well. I read random chapters almost everyday and remember pretty sick details BUT I cannot find a line telling about Elfridas passing.. Please, let me know where is that line.

I know in which chapters to look for it but I still haven't found anything.
I have absolutely no idea, sorry, I'll leave an alert for our resident "IT" specialist.

Robert Gray
 
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