The Walking Dead ***please use SPOILER tags***

Lepplady said:

Against her will, sure. But for the greater purpose of saving her.
I mean, we all know that whoever took her is yet another post-apocalyptic fruitcake.
I'm just throwing out there how interesting it is that we automatically assume that somebody new is bad. If we were in that situation, would be be so jaded? Yeah. Probably.

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AnnaMarie said:

He's either evil, or sick, or both.)

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skimom2 said:

We'll have to agree to disagreee, Mr. Nobody I didn't mind the loose ends, nor did I think we needed to know how the first group were captured yet (we have no idea how hard or easy it was. They could have killed masses or been taken in their sleep. *shrug*) I'm sure we'll get the info next season, as well as what is going on with the names inscribed on the floor of candle/logo room. They wanted to bring Rick back from The Big Stupid of last season, and that was accomplished. Maybe they'll stop wasting Andy Lincoln now (I personally think this year's writers are playing catch up from last season--the big prison battle should have happened last year, and the Governor crap over and done with. )

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Mr Nobody said:

Yeah, we can do that. One person's meat is another one's survivor, I guess (to torture an expression 'til it squeals), and it's not like I won't be watching next season!

I like the idea of them being taken in their sleep, though. The whole disarmament thing bothers me mainly because yeah, they disarmed Rick and Co...but then promptly gave them their weapons back. Could be that different rules applied to the groups, given that Rick's group was limited to pistols, a crossbow and a katana while the others had rather more serious bits of kit - but if Glenn's mob had their weapons returned you've got a couple of scenarios, each as unlikely as the other: 1) the Terminus lot did the herding thing, very high-risk considering the firepower Glenn et al had, or 2) they willingly laid down their weapons and walked away...which would be fine, I guess (though in that world, I'm trusting no one I haven't known for ages - and maybe not entirely even then), but for the presence of the soldier, who would have been trained better (I hope) and wouldn't have meekly handed over his weapon to a group of unknowns. All in all, drugged food or simply waiting for them to doze off would have been a better, safer option for the Terminus crew and would offer a better explanation.
Either way, it didn't need to be shown, but a couple of lines of dialogue would have done the trick. Waiting until next season to find out something so relatively trivial...nup, just get it done. It's not suspenseful, just annoying - the difference between a wasp buzzing around in your eyeline (will you get stung? suspense!) and a gnat (annoying!).

Having watched it back for a second time, the thing that really bugs me about Joe's demise is how similar it was to the Governor. Back before the mid-season break, you had those eps catching up with his story and throwing out the idea that here, maybe, was something new - a strand showing his redemption, etc. Of course it didn't take long for him to revert to type, but offing the one guy who knew him better than to fll for his 'nice' persona still made sense if he wanted to really bury the past.
Good actors were cast in the new group (they must be lining up just to appear...) and then...gone. Done with. That two hours you spent watching the catch-up stuff? Gone for good, and it really added nothing to the character in the end.
It's the same trick with Joe and his lot. Bring 'em along in lengthy bits of an ep or two, get you wondering, then have them gone inside a few minutes. It smacks too much of padding to get to the episode count, laziness, or both - though at least the final ep with the Governor ended in a satisfying way and advanced the story.

I was wondering too if the Terminus group were going to separate any kids from their old groups and assimilate them into their own. That might not happen, but if it did...isn't what Carol did a shame?

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Mr Nobody said:

Yeah, we can do that. One person's meat is another one's survivor, I guess (to torture an expression 'til it squeals), and it's not like I won't be watching next season!

I like the idea of them being taken in their sleep, though. The whole disarmament thing bothers me mainly because yeah, they disarmed Rick and Co...but then promptly gave them their weapons back. Could be that different rules applied to the groups, given that Rick's group was limited to pistols, a crossbow and a katana while the others had rather more serious bits of kit - but if Glenn's mob had their weapons returned you've got a couple of scenarios, each as unlikely as the other: 1) the Terminus lot did the herding thing, very high-risk considering the firepower Glenn et al had, or 2) they willingly laid down their weapons and walked away...which would be fine, I guess (though in that world, I'm trusting no one I haven't known for ages - and maybe not entirely even then), but for the presence of the soldier, who would have been trained better (I hope) and wouldn't have meekly handed over his weapon to a group of unknowns. All in all, drugged food or simply waiting for them to doze off would have been a better, safer option for the Terminus crew and would offer a better explanation.
Either way, it didn't need to be shown, but a couple of lines of dialogue would have done the trick. Waiting until next season to find out something so relatively trivial...nup, just get it done. It's not suspenseful, just annoying - the difference between a wasp buzzing around in your eyeline (will you get stung? suspense!) and a gnat (annoying!).

Having watched it back for a second time, the thing that really bugs me about Joe's demise is how similar it was to the Governor. Back before the mid-season break, you had those eps catching up with his story and throwing out the idea that here, maybe, was something new - a strand showing his redemption, etc. Of course it didn't take long for him to revert to type, but offing the one guy who knew him better than to fll for his 'nice' persona still made sense if he wanted to really bury the past.
Good actors were cast in the new group (they must be lining up just to appear...) and then...gone. Done with. That two hours you spent watching the catch-up stuff? Gone for good, and it really added nothing to the character in the end.
It's the same trick with Joe and his lot. Bring 'em along in lengthy bits of an ep or two, get you wondering, then have them gone inside a few minutes. It smacks too much of padding to get to the episode count, laziness, or both - though at least the final ep with the Governor ended in a satisfying way and advanced the story.

I was wondering too if the Terminus group were going to separate any kids from their old groups and assimilate them into their own. That might not happen, but if it did...isn't what Carol did a shame?

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Lepplady said:

I thought maybe Glenn's group got disarmed (and de-poncho'd) from the jump because they didn't trust the Terminus folks. Rick et al fell for it. Briefly. So they got their weapons back. If Glenn's troupe didn't fall for it at all, they wouldn't have gotten their stuff back. Just herded straight into the boxcar.

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Lepplady said:

I just find it so hard to believe that out of TWO groups of survivors, neither of them left anybody outside just in case it was a trap. That scientist guy might be a dweeb, but he's smarter than that. The soldier should be, too. And so should the survivors like Glenn and Maggie. I just find it hard to swallow that they all just waltzed right into it.

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skimom2 said:

Or she How interesting would that be--they have yet to have a really bad female character...

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