The Walking Dead ***please use SPOILER tags***

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Right, here goes.
For a regular ep, perhaps even the penultimate one, it would have been fine for the most part. The flashbacks to (previously unseen, iirc) events at the prison were good, offering a nice juxtaposition between the man Rick wanted to be and the one he has ultimately been forced by circumstance to become (I mean, if I had kids and anyone threatened him/her/them with rape and death, the a-hole isn't going to walk away; in Rick's shoes, the only thing I'd have done differently would have been to say "OK, you're going to just stand there and pay your price, sunshine, or I'll step in. Carl, come here, son. Here's the knife. Revenge time, kid. Teach the SOB not to mess").
The little moment with Daryl was also a nice one, well played on both sides.
But that whole scene was also what yanked me right out of my nicely-suspended disbelief. Three eps or so of Joe and Co, including a pretty heavy one last week that seemed to flesh them out, at least as a group, and Joe as a character, with a lot of 'When we ketch up ter that guy... heh heh" stuff, the conclusion to which was "well, actually, I'm going to get my arse handed to me in about ten seconds flat".
That alone felt rushed, a waste of a character and a situation...almost as if one writer alone had gone screaming down a track only to have the others dead-end it. And that seems odd, since there's a team and they're usually better than that - so maybe I detect a bit of exec prod interference there (and at least one of the exec producers has a bit of form).
Backstory-wise...Michonne's little tale was touching but the identity of her Walker companions came as no great surprise. There was, irrc, no mention of a Walker kid or her finding Andre's body, though, so that leaves a door open.
But the real problem was the lack of revelation. That Terminus was a bad place came as no surprise, nor was the reason why it was so bad (though I had to explain to my gf why they weren't being killed there and then, saying "Well do you see any cows or pigs? They're being herded. Bullets and muscle-bleed spoils the meat", so perhaps I was in a bit of a minority...though I don't see how I could have been - and a lot of people here seemed to pick up on the cannibalism theme straight away at the close of last week's ep).
And the ending seemed a bit disappointing. All the gear was easily recognizable, but there was no real explanation as to how Glenn et al came to be unarmed and so easily corralled. The soldier - assuming he actually is/was one - at least should have kept his weapon within reach, even while eating, and should have been more than proficient enough to get a few centre-mass shots away ("Here ya go, have a Walker problem or three").
I was left wondering a few things - the slogans on the walls in the 'Hall of Remembrance' hints at some kind of betrayal, so I was wondering if at least some of the people there hadn't been in Michonne's old camp and we just haven't seen them yet - but IMO there should have been a resolution to the 'Where's Beth?' stuff (or at least, a 'meanwhile, a few miles away...' scene; it's not strong enough or interesting enough to be left as an October carrot) and, dare I say it, a death - namely, Carl's. I've nothing against the character or the actor (he's pretty good, and could make a go of it should he choose acting as his adult profession), but the rate of production is causing a problem as it's meant to be months 'in-universe' since the outbreak, yet years have clearly passed looking at his rate of growth, etc. It's no one's fault, it's just the way time works. But...
Anyhoo...they seem to have written themselves (or been forced to write themselves) into a bit of a pudding bag. Either Terminus is so populous and so well-guarded that our heroes are jiggered anyway, or it's not...in which case a Walker or two inside the perimeter could cause problems, and all the more reason for Rick, at least, to be popping people in the torso. I think there was at least one person who died from a centre-mass trauma, so...who knows? Maybe in all the excitement Tasha Yar forgot to give them each a round in the head? Guess we'll have to wait and see.
(One thing's for sure: Rick's going to be reunited with his (buried) trusty six...one way or another.)

(One other gf-inspired observation: she said that the ep with Rick under the bed and the mid-season 'mini-finale' were both better than the final ep of the season. I found it hard to disagree.)
 

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Right, here goes.
For a regular ep, perhaps even the penultimate one, it would have been fine for the most part. The flashbacks to (previously unseen, iirc) events at the prison were good, offering a nice juxtaposition between the man Rick wanted to be and the one he has ultimately been forced by circumstance to become (I mean, if I had kids and anyone threatened him/her/them with rape and death, the a-hole isn't going to walk away; in Rick's shoes, the only thing I'd have done differently would have been to say "OK, you're going to just stand there and pay your price, sunshine, or I'll step in. Carl, come here, son. Here's the knife. Revenge time, kid. Teach the SOB not to mess").
The little moment with Daryl was also a nice one, well played on both sides.
But that whole scene was also what yanked me right out of my nicely-suspended disbelief. Three eps or so of Joe and Co, including a pretty heavy one last week that seemed to flesh them out, at least as a group, and Joe as a character, with a lot of 'When we ketch up ter that guy... heh heh" stuff, the conclusion to which was "well, actually, I'm going to get my arse handed to me in about ten seconds flat".
That alone felt rushed, a waste of a character and a situation...almost as if one writer alone had gone screaming down a track only to have the others dead-end it. And that seems odd, since there's a team and they're usually better than that - so maybe I detect a bit of exec prod interference there (and at least one of the exec producers has a bit of form).
Backstory-wise...Michonne's little tale was touching but the identity of her Walker companions came as no great surprise. There was, irrc, no mention of a Walker kid or her finding Andre's body, though, so that leaves a door open.
But the real problem was the lack of revelation. That Terminus was a bad place came as no surprise, nor was the reason why it was so bad (though I had to explain to my gf why they weren't being killed there and then, saying "Well do you see any cows or pigs? They're being herded. Bullets and muscle-bleed spoils the meat", so perhaps I was in a bit of a minority...though I don't see how I could have been - and a lot of people here seemed to pick up on the cannibalism theme straight away at the close of last week's ep).
And the ending seemed a bit disappointing. All the gear was easily recognizable, but there was no real explanation as to how Glenn et al came to be unarmed and so easily corralled. The soldier - assuming he actually is/was one - at least should have kept his weapon within reach, even while eating, and should have been more than proficient enough to get a few centre-mass shots away ("Here ya go, have a Walker problem or three").
I was left wondering a few things - the slogans on the walls in the 'Hall of Remembrance' hints at some kind of betrayal, so I was wondering if at least some of the people there hadn't been in Michonne's old camp and we just haven't seen them yet - but IMO there should have been a resolution to the 'Where's Beth?' stuff (or at least, a 'meanwhile, a few miles away...' scene; it's not strong enough or interesting enough to be left as an October carrot) and, dare I say it, a death - namely, Carl's. I've nothing against the character or the actor (he's pretty good, and could make a go of it should he choose acting as his adult profession), but the rate of production is causing a problem as it's meant to be months 'in-universe' since the outbreak, yet years have clearly passed looking at his rate of growth, etc. It's no one's fault, it's just the way time works. But...
Anyhoo...they seem to have written themselves (or been forced to write themselves) into a bit of a pudding bag. Either Terminus is so populous and so well-guarded that our heroes are jiggered anyway, or it's not...in which case a Walker or two inside the perimeter could cause problems, and all the more reason for Rick, at least, to be popping people in the torso. I think there was at least one person who died from a centre-mass trauma, so...who knows? Maybe in all the excitement Tasha Yar forgot to give them each a round in the head? Guess we'll have to wait and see.
(One thing's for sure: Rick's going to be reunited with his (buried) trusty six...one way or another.)

(One other gf-inspired observation: she said that the ep with Rick under the bed and the mid-season 'mini-finale' were both better than the final ep of the season. I found it hard to disagree.)
Yeah... but they didn't kill Daryl.

What?

;;D :biggrin2:
 

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I have a feeling that she might be held hostage by a priest type of guy, considering the cross on the car.

I didn't see the cross... and maybe it's also the dogs owner?

I stand by my previous guess. Beth was taken by the undertaker. I no longer think he's running Terminus though. I do think he is also the dog's owner.

As for how Glenn and his group were easily disarmed....did you need to see that? We saw Rick, Carl, Daryl and Michonne disarmed. I preferred seeing what we saw instead of watching the other group also getting disarmed.

But....how did the gang recognize Rick? He was hidden under the bed, slipped out a window, and took off. When did the guys in the house see him? If they saw him, why didn't they run him down right away?
 

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I stand by my previous guess. Beth was taken by the undertaker. I no longer think he's running Terminus though. I do think he is also the dog's owner.

As for how Glenn and his group were easily disarmed....did you need to see that? We saw Rick, Carl, Daryl and Michonne disarmed. I preferred seeing what we saw instead of watching the other group also getting disarmed.

But....how did the gang recognize Rick? He was hidden under the bed, slipped out a window, and took off. When did the guys in the house see him? If they saw him, why didn't they run him down right away?
When Joe was fighting the other guy over who claimed the bed, the other guy got knocked out. When he came to, still on the floor, he was looking right at Rick who was still hiding under the bed. Joe and the gang tracked him to the train tracks.
 

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The yelling from the boxcars may not have been noticed due the distraction of all the gunfire following Rick and the gang. (I was wondering if the Terminus shooters were just terrible aim, or if perhaps they were trying to simply keep the gang on the run... on the run to the train car.)

I had a similar line of though about Beth rescuing everyone from Terminus. I suppose it was a silly thought, especially since she'd have to escape her current captor (whomever that may be...)


The shooters seemed to be corralling our friends to get them to move in a certain direction.
 

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The yelling from the boxcars may not have been noticed due the distraction of all the gunfire following Rick and the gang. (I was wondering if the Terminus shooters were just terrible aim, or if perhaps they were trying to simply keep the gang on the run... on the run to the train car.)

I had a similar line of though about Beth rescuing everyone from Terminus. I suppose it was a silly thought, especially since she'd have to escape her current captor (whomever that may be...)
They were driving them to where they wanted them, not trying to kill them. They must have plenty of meat already. For now.
 

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The yelling from the boxcars may not have been noticed due the distraction of all the gunfire following Rick and the gang. (I was wondering if the Terminus shooters were just terrible aim, or if perhaps they were trying to simply keep the gang on the run... on the run to the train car.)

I had a similar line of though about Beth rescuing everyone from Terminus. I suppose it was a silly thought, especially since she'd have to escape her current captor (whomever that may be...)
If her current captor is just one guy, she can probably deal with him, thanks to Daryl's tutelage.
 

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I stand by my previous guess. Beth was taken by the undertaker. I no longer think he's running Terminus though. I do think he is also the dog's owner.

As for how Glenn and his group were easily disarmed....did you need to see that? We saw Rick, Carl, Daryl and Michonne disarmed. I preferred seeing what we saw instead of watching the other group also getting disarmed.

But....how did the gang recognize Rick? He was hidden under the bed, slipped out a window, and took off. When did the guys in the house see him? If they saw him, why didn't they run him down right away?
Was the guy that saw Rick under the bed the same one that he killed? I thought it was a different guy.

I'm confused by the scene at the house. that group had such a strict "claimed" code. If one guy claimed the bed, that would have been the end of it. They wouldn't have fought over it. Anybody follow me on this one?
 

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Everybody assumes that whoever took Beth is a bad guy. Notice that? What if it's somebody with decent intentions, for a change? I'll grant you that the house with the dog was a well-baited trap, but what if it's to lure good people to a place where they can be saved and weed out the jerks like Joe and his gang?
 

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Everybody assumes that whoever took Beth is a bad guy. Notice that? What if it's somebody with decent intentions, for a change? I'll grant you that the house with the dog was a well-baited trap, but what if it's to lure good people to a place where they can be saved and weed out the jerks like Joe and his gang?
Beth would not have willingly gone, leaving Daryl to the zombies. Therefore she was taken against her will. Therefore he is not a good person.
 

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Against her will, sure. But for the greater purpose of saving her.
I mean, we all know that whoever took her is yet another post-apocalyptic fruitcake.
I'm just throwing out there how interesting it is that we automatically assume that somebody new is bad. If we were in that situation, would be be so jaded? Yeah. Probably.