Is This A Hypocrite?

HollyGolightly · Mar 21, 2014

mjs9153 said:
Think you are looking for "dregs" of society.. Dredges are those big machines that scoop earth out of waterway bottoms..tho both are bottom feeders so..

LOL - you might just be right about that then - too late to edit, but I'm not known around these parts for my wit or intellect.

mjs9153 · Mar 21, 2014

HollyGolightly said:
LOL - you might just be right about that then - too late to edit, but I'm not known around these parts for my wit or intellect.

NOT true,you are very sharp, we all make errors like that..

MadamMack · Mar 21, 2014

HollyGolightly said:
Remember what a rowdy bunch some of those men Jesus befriended were? He'd reach out to the dredges of society and then bring them to your house for dinner. I'm not the best example of a good Catholic, but I'm at Mass every week trying to refocus, repent, do better. Forgive, be forgiven and try again.

And Jesus had a wife. That ain't John the Baptist sitting beside him in The Last Supper painting.

What I understand and love about Jesus is that he had a forgiving heart.

. . .forgiveness was his life.

. . .I'm letting this go now but I will say this . . .

He who has not committed sin, let him cast the first stone.

. . .I'm off a bit but my meaning is very clear.

HollyGolightly · Mar 21, 2014

MadamMack said:
And Jesus had a wife. That ain't John the Baptist sitting beside him in The Last Supper painting.

What I understand and love about Jesus is that he had a forgiving heart.

. . .forgiveness was his life.

. . .I'm letting this go now but I will say this . . .

He who has not committed sin, let him cast the first stone.

. . .I'm off a bit but my meaning is very clear.

We did the Chaplet of Divine Mercy at Lenten Devotion tonight and it was all about those lessons in not judging, not envying, offering forgiveness - it was just "divine".

MadamMack · Mar 21, 2014

HollyGolightly said:
We did the Chaplet of Divine Mercy at Lenten Devotion tonight and it was all about those lessons in not judging, not envying, offering forgiveness - it was just "divine".

As you know from my resent posts on this board, I grew up in Church. I'm not a pious server. Nor do I feel as if I've fallen from Grace. I do believe. Jesus was amazing. He was surrounded by falseness but he still retained a forgiving heart.

MadamMack · Mar 21, 2014

Yes I believe . . .

Grandpa · Mar 22, 2014

pegasus216 said:
I know someone who drinks a lot, and got caught watching porn twice by his wife within the last month. Then has the nerve to go to church!
What do you all think of this?

It's not an easy scenario.

Hypocrite: One who practices hypocrisy. Hypocrisy: The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform

Does he claim that drinking is immoral? Then he's a hypocrite.
Does he claim that watching porn shouldn't be allowed? Then he's a hypocrite.
If he's making no claim, but he's drinking, and viewing porn, and going to church? That kinda makes him mainstream American male.

As for having questionable values and going to church - well, if a believer finds meaning or salvation by going to church, it would be the wrongdoer, the sinner, who would needs church the most.

Frankly, if there as a friend or acquaintance of mine who drank too much (he said on a sleepless night as he sips a cocktail), I'd hope I'd have the gumption, the cajones, to call him or her out on it and say, You sure you know what you're doing, sport?

If a lady friend of mine complained to me privately of her husband watching porn, I'd tell her that 1) thousands of searches for adult content are made every minute, 13% of searches are adult-related, and men are sexually driven, so however disappointing it may be, it's not a huge surprise, and 2) I'd tell the husband (if we were that kind of friend) that it's bothering his wife, so please knock it off, at least during times when you'll get caught. I mean, caught twice? That's just stupid.

But mostly, it's none of my business, unless I'm brought into it, and you better believe it would be reluctantly.

Walter Oobleck · Mar 22, 2014

Brothers and sisters, if a person is caught doing something wrong, you who are spiritual should restore someone like this with a spirit of gentleness. Watch out for yourselves so you won't be tempted too. Galatians 6:1

Brothers, suppose someone is caught doing something wrong. You who have the Spirit should set him right, but in a spirit of humility, keeping an eye on yourselves so that you won't be tempted too. (another version of same)

Brothers and sisters, if a person gets trapped by wrongdoing, those of you who are spiritual should help that person turn away from doing wrong. Do it in a gentle way. At the same time watch yourself so that you also are not tempted. (yet another version of same)

If the 1st Century church can be said to have "gotten it right" considering that these were the same people who walked and talked with Jesus, it seems like a natural to go back to that time and to look at how they dealt with problems in the church, the Body of Christ, the body of believers, the faithful. That can only come from a knowledge of the Bible and we as individuals can seek out that knowledge. The 1st Century church in Corinth experienced a man who slept with his mother. It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father's wife. 1 Corinthians 5:1 I'd hazard that this incident is "worse" than the scenario outlined in the opening post. Reading past the first verse there is additional information...what the Apostle Paul suggested this church do with this particular man.

We hear all this information about not judging a person, so on and so forth. But that did not mean that one should turn blindly from a wrong that is being committed by a brother or sister in Christ. Paul writes, And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present.

None of us are the Apostle Paul and we probably should not act like we are. There is other information contained in the Bible how to live a Christian life. If we care to live that life we should us it as a guide. If one of us lacks understanding, he/she should ask God, through Jesus, our Savior.

I hope this couple can work out the problems they are encountering, that this man can turn from his wrongful ways, that his wife can explain if she has not done so already the hurt that she experienced by his actions and that he can fill his mind with things that are noble, things that are good. I hope this couple is helped by those around them and that this experience can be put in the past.

mustangclaire · Mar 22, 2014

MadamMack said:
And Jesus had a wife. That ain't John the Baptist sitting beside him in The Last Supper painting.

What I understand and love about Jesus is that he had a forgiving heart.

. . .forgiveness was his life.

. . .I'm letting this go now but I will say this . . .

He who has not committed sin, let him cast the first stone.

. . .I'm off a bit but my meaning is very clear.

Grandpa said:
It's not an easy scenario.

Hypocrite: One who practices hypocrisy. Hypocrisy: The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform

Does he claim that drinking is immoral? Then he's a hypocrite.
Does he claim that watching porn shouldn't be allowed? Then he's a hypocrite.
If he's making no claim, but he's drinking, and viewing porn, and going to church? That kinda makes him mainstream American male.

As for having questionable values and going to church - well, if a believer finds meaning or salvation by going to church, it would be the wrongdoer, the sinner, who would needs church the most.

Frankly, if there as a friend or acquaintance of mine who drank too much (he said on a sleepless night as he sips a cocktail), I'd hope I'd have the gumption, the cajones, to call him or her out on it and say, You sure you know what you're doing, sport?

If a lady friend of mine complained to me privately of her husband watching porn, I'd tell her that 1) thousands of searches for adult content are made every minute, 13% of searches are adult-related, and men are sexually driven, so however disappointing it may be, it's not a huge surprise, and 2) I'd tell the husband (if we were that kind of friend) that it's bothering his wife, so please knock it off, at least during times when you'll get caught. I mean, caught twice? That's just stupid.

But mostly, it's none of my business, unless I'm brought into it, and you better believe it would be reluctantly.

That.

Stanley Ruiz · Mar 22, 2014

Yeh, can you post the website he visits, before i judge him and condemn him to the firing squad ms Carmody !

pegasus216 · Mar 22, 2014

blunthead said:
I'm not sure what you're saying. Is it that he was already a church-goer, or that after he got caught he went to church?

He was already a church goer of many years.

He knows what he is doing is wrong. He told his wife yesterday that he knows he has a problem with all of it.

HollyGolightly · Mar 22, 2014

Grandpa - excellent! "I like the way you talk".

blunthead · Mar 22, 2014

I'm not sure what you're saying. Is it that he was already a church-goer, or that after he got caught he went to church?
He was already a church goer of many years.

He knows what he is doing is wrong. He told his wife yesterday that he knows he has a problem with all of it.

It is hypocrisy, but imho also just another example of human imperfection, of which there are legion. Christians (I assume he goes to a Christian church) aren't perfect and I know of none who would dare claim to be anywhere near perfect. Still, if one claims discipleship with Christ one assumes much responsibility toward him/herself and his/her loved ones. Life is serious business, even for someone who claims not to believe in anything (no such person exists though, by definition).

Neesy · Mar 22, 2014

HollyGolightly said:
Oops!

Were you drinking Jagermeister again HollyGolightly?

Jake likes it too!

Haunted · Mar 22, 2014

pegasus216 said:
He was already a church goer of many years.

He knows what he is doing is wrong. He told his wife yesterday that he knows he has a problem with all of it.

He's taken the first step.

Neesy · Mar 22, 2014

pegasus216 said:
He was already a church goer of many years.

He knows what he is doing is wrong. He told his wife yesterday that he knows he has a problem with all of it.

That is good to hear pegasus216

blunthead · Mar 22, 2014

Walter Oobleck said:
Brothers and sisters, if a person is caught doing something wrong, you who are spiritual should restore someone like this with a spirit of gentleness. Watch out for yourselves so you won't be tempted too. Galatians 6:1

Brothers, suppose someone is caught doing something wrong. You who have the Spirit should set him right, but in a spirit of humility, keeping an eye on yourselves so that you won't be tempted too. (another version of same)

Brothers and sisters, if a person gets trapped by wrongdoing, those of you who are spiritual should help that person turn away from doing wrong. Do it in a gentle way. At the same time watch yourself so that you also are not tempted. (yet another version of same)

If the 1st Century church can be said to have "gotten it right" considering that these were the same people who walked and talked with Jesus, it seems like a natural to go back to that time and to look at how they dealt with problems in the church, the Body of Christ, the body of believers, the faithful. That can only come from a knowledge of the Bible and we as individuals can seek out that knowledge. The 1st Century church in Corinth experienced a man who slept with his mother. It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father's wife. 1 Corinthians 5:1 I'd hazard that this incident is "worse" than the scenario outlined in the opening post. Reading past the first verse there is additional information...what the Apostle Paul suggested this church do with this particular man.

We hear all this information about not judging a person, so on and so forth. But that did not mean that one should turn blindly from a wrong that is being committed by a brother or sister in Christ. Paul writes, And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present.

None of us are the Apostle Paul and we probably should not act like we are. There is other information contained in the Bible how to live a Christian life. If we care to live that life we should us it as a guide. If one of us lacks understanding, he/she should ask God, through Jesus, our Savior.

I hope this couple can work out the problems they are encountering, that this man can turn from his wrongful ways, that his wife can explain if she has not done so already the hurt that she experienced by his actions and that he can fill his mind with things that are noble, things that are good. I hope this couple is helped by those around them and that this experience can be put in the past.

I can't imagine a better answer to the question at hand.

blunthead · Mar 22, 2014

Haunted said:
He's taken the first step.

If he's addicted to alcohol and pornography then he has a road to go, made half as long if it's true that he's taken the first step; that is, the step of deciding not to indulge henceforth. For him to plan or expect to quit two addictions at the same time is probably to expect too much. If, in the case of addiction, the wife is not an addictive personality herself, she might be tempted not to realize her inability to fully understand, but instead assume her hubby's problem something much opposed to what it really is, and something relatively easy to stop doing. To give up an addiction is arguably the single most difficult thing a human being can be faced with by him/herself. In this sense, I would not focus on the man's hypocrisy but on his illness.

Stanley Ruiz · Mar 22, 2014

blunthead said:
I can't imagine a better answer to the question at hand.

Can be a handy marital aid as well people... next time, get her to pull up a chair. Get a grip. We all watch it.for those that don't - I'm sure the thought passes through the godliest mind every now and then. Thats what the lingerie section in Walmart catalogue is for. But hey, thats what confession was intended for eh- confess and hey presto, clean sheet !!! Brilliant. Gotta love the system .

Stanley Ruiz · Mar 22, 2014

blunthead said:
If he's addicted to alcohol and pornography then he has a road to go, made half as long if it's true that he's taken the first step; that is, the step of deciding not to indulge henceforth. For him to plan or expect to quit two addictions at the same time is probably to expect too much. If, in that case, the wife is not an addictive personality herself, she might be tempted not to realize her inability to fully understand, but instead assume her hubby's problem something much opposed to what it really is. To give up an addiction is arguably the single most difficult thing a human being can be faced with doing by him/herself. In this sense, I would not focus on the man's hypocrisy but on his illness.

And is it just a substitute for not getting any from his missus?

Poor guy might be only getting a christmas jump between his birthday feel and his easter fumble - lighten up i say , lets get down muskies bar and get the naked twister going.

Me first - left hand ....red.

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