Does anybody like the Film better than the Book?

Discussion in 'The Shining' started by TheKaijuProphet89, Jul 25, 2014.

  1. blunthead

    blunthead Well-Known Member

    Despite my being a major Kubrick fan, imho The Shining is a seriously flawed effort, its departure from the novel notwithstanding. Its message seems to be that Nicholson's ability to act crazy is enough.
     
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  2. SutterKane

    SutterKane Well-Known Member

    It fits right into the Kubrick world, for better or for worse. When people say the Nicholson performance was "Over the Top", your missing the point. Everything Kubrick ever did was over the top. From the Drill Instructor in "Full Metal Jacket" who just CAN'T STOP SCREAMING!!!!, to the Prison guard who looks and acts like Adolf Hitler in "A Clockwork Orange", to the Monkey destroying things with a bone to the tune of epic classical Orchestra music in "2001", every performance I ever saw in a Kubrick film was over the top. That was what he wanted it to be. Kubrick didn't deal with emotions or the heart of a piece, the only film he ever did that even could halfway be considered dramatic was "Paths of Glory" and that was back in the 50's, other then that he wanted to make films that were Darkly comedic and looked great visually. King should have viewed "A Clockwork Orange" or "Dr. Strangelove" before he agreed to let him do it in the first place (although I'm not sure how much say so he had in such things back then).

    King just picked the wrong movie to stand up and go against because Kubrick's legacy in film is Iconic and has only grown since his death. Whether you loved or hated his work, it was incredibly unique, there was never nor will there ever be again, a director that made films like this, so when you see King take a stand and say he hates this while approving of the Mick Garris TV version, it rubs people the wrong way.
     
  3. prufrock21

    prufrock21 Well-Known Member

    The book is so brilliant, the characterizations so vibrant and textured, that not even Jack Nicholson and Stanley Kubrick could do it justice.
     
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  4. Walter Oobleck

    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    Could be worse...I just read Heartsnatcher by Boris Vian (1920-1959)...and in the About the Author at the back: ...Vian's greatest success--and greatest curse--was J'irai cracher sur vos tombes (I Spit on Your Graves)...in 1959 Vian was involved in a project to adapt the novel into a movie, until a series of artistic differences led to his removal from the project. Tragically, Boris Vian attended the movie's premiere, where he reportedly stood up during the opening scenes and yelled, "These guys are supposed to be Americans? My ass!" just before dying of a heart attack. He was 39 at the time of his death. I believe Vian had heart issues from a young age. We'd have no Black Thirteen.

    I found Jack as King Lear in both novel and movie...a man more sinned against than sinning...misunderstood by family...the spiral down...The Shining was my first exposure to anything King, the movie, way back when...and I left the theatre satisfied, as I believe everyone felt who attended that showing. A movie can tell things a story cannot and a story can tell things a movie cannot. Seems silly to compare and contrast the two...they're not the same thing.
     
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  5. Flat Matt

    Flat Matt Well-Known Member

    I've just watched the film for the very first time (yes, really) and I can see why Stephen King dislikes it.

    Don't get me wrong, it's a good horror film, but it is very much of its time. It's a little corny and the overacting is spectacularly bad in places. I must give a special mention to Wendy for her open-mouthed/bulging eyes goldfish impersonation. The only performance I really liked was that of Delbert Grady (you can always rely on us British to play the slightly eccentric and unhinged bad guys).;-D

    The one positive of the film was the omission of the topiary animals. They were the only part of the book that I didn't like. I'm scared by things that seem plausible, and Stephen usually does that really well, but hedges coming to life is a step too far for me. That's not a criticism, it's just a personal taste.

    The real problem with the film is that it deviates from the book far too much and the characters are as flat as my grandmother's tits. Stephen summed it up perfectly when he said that Jack Torrance is supposed to be a sane man driven mad by the hotel, but Kubrick's Jack Torrance starts off mad and stays mad. There is almost no character development at all, and in allowing that to happen, Kubrick completely misses the point of the story. Again, the relationship between Danny and Hallorann is almost non-existent in the film and I didn't find the film version of Tony particularly convincing either.

    As two stand-alone works, the film and the book are both very good, but when you compare one against the other, Stephen King's version of The Shining is a class apart.
     
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  6. CriticAndProud

    CriticAndProud Resident Australian Adolescent (aka Xylophone Man)


    :rofl:

    I need to use that phrase more in conversation.
     
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