Game of Thrones / War of the Roses

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champ1966

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Firstly I must say I love Game of Thrones.I've still got one book to go so no spoilers please.Being from Yorkshire (30 miles south of York) the fact that the Starks and Lannisters are loosely based on the house of York and the house of Lancaster from the War of the Roses. I find it a brilliant concept.
 

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Even down to the Starks talking in a broad Yorkshire accent. (Sean Bean is from Sheffield 30 miles south of me). House Lancaster's symbol was a red rose. House York's was ( and still is) a white rose. Even today the rivalry is still present. Manchester United play in red, and Leeds United in white (my team). I have friends who wouldn't be seen dead in any red item.of clothing.
 
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I read the first 4 volumes of the series and enjoyed them. Then the waiting for the subsequent books sucked the life out of it for me. I haven't seen a second of the tv adaptations, but all the talk of the nudity and the use of porn stars mystifies me as I don't recall there being that much sex in the books. Oh well. I tend to stay away from filmed versions as they feel the need to make changes to already riveting stories.
 

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I think that's what drew me in the first place--the parallels to history :) There was a non-fiction book last year (The Plantagenets) that rounded out more of the story (for me), and I've definitely seen GoT characters based on real life people.
 

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I think that's what drew me in the first place--the parallels to history :) There was a non-fiction book last year (The Plantagenets) that rounded out more of the story (for me), and I've definitely seen GoT characters based on real life people.
They found his body a couple of years ago, (with him I mean Richard III, last King of York) under a parking place. About time he got a proper burial. It is proved by DNA-technics that it was him.
 

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They found his body a couple of years ago, (with him I mean Richard III, last King of York) under a parking place. About time he got a proper burial. It is proved by DNA-technics that it was him.

I remember reading somewhere that Richard III wasn't quite the rogue he's been painted as. That he was the victim of a medieval smear campaign.
 

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I always wondered what the origins of the two families came from. I always assumed it was symbolic of the English (Lannisters) vs the Scottish/Irish (Starks).
 

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I remember reading somewhere that Richard III wasn't quite the rogue he's been painted as. That he was the victim of a medieval smear campaign.
Thats quite true. When newer historians have gone over the sources they found none from the same time that said bad things about him. (well, not that bad things). Then Sir Thomas Moore wrote a history of Richard. He was 5 when Richard died. He got his information from some tales from The Bishop of Ely, John Morton, a contemporary with Richard, had told him. Morton was the man behind the uprisings and Richards archenemy so it is hardly an unbiased source. Then the historians have built much of what is known on Moores writings. The humpback and the twisted arm is also inventions. He had one shoulder that was slightly higher than the other but no hump. He was as many records show, a good soldier and leader of men and administrated the Northern part of England until his brother Edward IV died. Then he made preparations for a coronation of the oldest of his children but put them on a halt when a bishop called Stillington if I remember correctly come forward and showed proof that Edward was previously married. Therefore the Princes were bastards and not Kingmaterial. After that there is much fogginess during his two years of power but i don't think he was any more ruthless than any other king. Since i have a cynic streak i think he was probably less so and thats the reason he failed. If he had been really ruthless he could have killed the major players, like Morton and other backers of Henry VII, at their first failed attempt of a rising in 1484. He didn't, instead he either exiled them like morton or told them to repent and go home to their castles and pay a fine. A year later they tried again with better success. For a good read on the subject, try Annette Carsons The Maligned King. She goes through it all. She goes overboard a few times i think. He was no angel i mean but it is refreshing to have the facts interpreted from an other angle sometimes.
Then, of course, it didn't help that Shakespeare wrote that play.... His main source was Moore. It has been more infleential than the different historians i think.
 

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I've been interested in the Plantagenets for years, spotting connections in GoT definitely added to my enjoyment of the books. I agree with Kurben, he was probably no more ruthless than any other king. He was a man of his times & history is written by the victor ie: Henry VII in this case. A bit OT, I think Prince John is another much maligned man, old Lionheart (Richard I) may have been noble & brave but he was a terrible king.
 

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I've been interested in the Plantagenets for years, spotting connections in GoT definitely added to my enjoyment of the books. I agree with Kurben, he was probably no more ruthless than any other king. He was a man of his times & history is written by the victor ie: Henry VII in this case. A bit OT, I think Prince John is another much maligned man, old Lionheart (Richard I) may have been noble & brave but he was a terrible king.
The Lionheart was more french than English. But i don't believe he was very noble. He was an excellent leader of men in battle but was easily bored with other duties. He is probably the english king that has spent the least time in england. about 6 months. Otherwise he was in france, spain or the holy land. He liked the place where he grow up, his castle in france, much more so he only was in england when he absolutely had to.