Hey everyone! Just wanted to talk about a few things within It and some other SK novels that were never fully explained, intentionally or unintentionally. I'll just post a few bullet points and see where the conversation goes from there. I just finished a reread so everything is fresh in my mind, but I probably won't be posting things like exact page numbers and things like that.
1. Victor Criss approaching the Losers some time in early August
I really noticed for the first time that Vic is something of a sympathetic character, albeit a bully, in the novel. But that's beside the point, this is regarding something Bill mentioned in I believe either the adult segment of the Bullseye chapter, or the chapter directly before that. He says something about Vic approaching him, Bev, and Ben when they were hanging out at Tracker Brothers one day just before they went into the sewers. Anyone have any ideas what such a meeting entailed? Did the Losers shout him off when they saw him approaching before hearing what he had to say? Did they talk? This matter can only really be speculated on. I'm sure even if they were sympathetic toward his plight, there wouldn't be any room for him to join their perfect circle of 7. Still very interesting though, like Vic sensed he was not only a pawn, but a pawn for evil and insanity.
2. Mike's scars at the Jade of the Orient reunion
At one point Mike unbuttons his shirt to reveal scars all over his chest, and the rest of the Losers suddenly remember and start attributing the scars to the Werewolf during the raid of 29 Neibolt Street. But as we learn it was Ben who got scarred that day, or rather, SK only plainly states that Ben was wounded during the raid. So was there off-screen action in which Mike got cut up by the Werewolf or is this another plothole akin to Mike supposedly going to both the black-only Methodist school and the Losers school?
3. Eddie's sense of direction
It was stated that Eddie had that ability long before any outside agents (The Other/The White) started taking an interest in the Losers. Why did he all of a sudden lose this trait when the Other's power receded? Simple fear?
4. "PENNYWISE LIVES"
This phrase is graffitied onto a statue in Derry, seen in the novel Dreamcatcher. And iirc this takes place after the events of 1985 in Derry. So what the hell? Did Ben miss an egg? Can Its true form (the deadlights) just send another physical form of Itself into our universe, thus making it virtually unkillable? And who, after 1985, would still be left in Derry to write such a message? Another very curious mystery.
5. Dandelo
In Dark Tower Book 7 Roland and his remaining ka-tet encounter the creature Dandelo in the White Plains of Empathica. I'll just list off all the curiosities surrounding this character:
-Uses positive emotions (humor, happiness) to kill, similar to how It uses negative emotions in Its victims to kill
-The elf/rose wallpaper from 29 Neibolt Street also plasters the walls of Dandelo's bathroom
-Owns a robot named Stuttering Bill, iirc likes to torture it by refusing to deprogram its stutter
-Has Patrick Danville, a Derry resident, as a captive
So is this thing like a cousin or sibling of It? Kindred spirits from the Prim? Way too many coincidences.
I think that's all I've got. Feel free to contribute anything else I might have missed. I know there's another thread about what happened between Bev and her father after beating It in 1958 so I'll leave conversation on that topic to its designated thread.
1. Victor Criss approaching the Losers some time in early August
I really noticed for the first time that Vic is something of a sympathetic character, albeit a bully, in the novel. But that's beside the point, this is regarding something Bill mentioned in I believe either the adult segment of the Bullseye chapter, or the chapter directly before that. He says something about Vic approaching him, Bev, and Ben when they were hanging out at Tracker Brothers one day just before they went into the sewers. Anyone have any ideas what such a meeting entailed? Did the Losers shout him off when they saw him approaching before hearing what he had to say? Did they talk? This matter can only really be speculated on. I'm sure even if they were sympathetic toward his plight, there wouldn't be any room for him to join their perfect circle of 7. Still very interesting though, like Vic sensed he was not only a pawn, but a pawn for evil and insanity.
2. Mike's scars at the Jade of the Orient reunion
At one point Mike unbuttons his shirt to reveal scars all over his chest, and the rest of the Losers suddenly remember and start attributing the scars to the Werewolf during the raid of 29 Neibolt Street. But as we learn it was Ben who got scarred that day, or rather, SK only plainly states that Ben was wounded during the raid. So was there off-screen action in which Mike got cut up by the Werewolf or is this another plothole akin to Mike supposedly going to both the black-only Methodist school and the Losers school?
3. Eddie's sense of direction
It was stated that Eddie had that ability long before any outside agents (The Other/The White) started taking an interest in the Losers. Why did he all of a sudden lose this trait when the Other's power receded? Simple fear?
4. "PENNYWISE LIVES"
This phrase is graffitied onto a statue in Derry, seen in the novel Dreamcatcher. And iirc this takes place after the events of 1985 in Derry. So what the hell? Did Ben miss an egg? Can Its true form (the deadlights) just send another physical form of Itself into our universe, thus making it virtually unkillable? And who, after 1985, would still be left in Derry to write such a message? Another very curious mystery.
5. Dandelo
In Dark Tower Book 7 Roland and his remaining ka-tet encounter the creature Dandelo in the White Plains of Empathica. I'll just list off all the curiosities surrounding this character:
-Uses positive emotions (humor, happiness) to kill, similar to how It uses negative emotions in Its victims to kill
-The elf/rose wallpaper from 29 Neibolt Street also plasters the walls of Dandelo's bathroom
-Owns a robot named Stuttering Bill, iirc likes to torture it by refusing to deprogram its stutter
-Has Patrick Danville, a Derry resident, as a captive
So is this thing like a cousin or sibling of It? Kindred spirits from the Prim? Way too many coincidences.
I think that's all I've got. Feel free to contribute anything else I might have missed. I know there's another thread about what happened between Bev and her father after beating It in 1958 so I'll leave conversation on that topic to its designated thread.