Student body slams teacher

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skimom2

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I remember a kid (a BIG kid) beating up the teacher when I was in 4th grade. It was terrifying. And that was many moons ago, when dinos roamed the earth and most kids had a healthy respect for adults. I think being a teacher right now would be pretty scary sometimes.
 

Lepplady

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I live with a teacher. He's a Tall Guy, a big guy, so I HOPE he's less likely to get jumped. But another teacher got beat up at the school a couple years ago. A student jumped the desk and just started wailing on this poor lady. She is no longer at our school. I think she went to a private school. It's absolutely unacceptable for teachers to be vulnerable to potentially violent students. The way I feel about it is that if a student displays any hostile tendencies, they should be out. Period. If mom and dad don't like it (or complain about the cost of private school, homeschooling, whatever) they can teach their kids some freaking morals.
 

Pucker

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Well . . . I'm not sure this is necessarily a counterpoint to the other thread about resource officers, but I'll ask the obvious question:

Is there any actual learning going on in the schools anymore, or is it all merely empowerment, social justice and law enforcement?

Teachers?

Anyone?

Beuhler?
 

Grandpa

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Well . . . I'm not sure this is necessarily a counterpoint to the other thread about resource officers, but I'll ask the obvious question:

Is there any actual learning going on in the schools anymore, or is it all merely empowerment, social justice and law enforcement?

Teachers?

Anyone?

Beuhler?
Puckster, I may be missing a satirical context here, and this is meant to be humorous rather than snide, but....

Beloved Daughter-In-Law is a math teacher. She teaches math. She stays during lunchtime and after hours to help students out. With their math. She gets called in to attend school functions. She puts in hundred-hour weeks for teaching, preparing lesson plans, and grading papers. All the testing under the Poor Child Left Behind act doesn't help. Parent-teacher conferences. Continuing education of her own self for her continued certification. For all this, she gets about 40K a year.

She also gets to hear snide comments about teachers not doing their jobs of teaching the basic subjects, but that comes for free.

You might ask danie how she feels about teaching merely empowerment, social justice, and law enforcement.
 

Pucker

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Thanks for your post, G., and thanks for at least paying lip service to the idea that -- yes -- it is meant, partially at least, as dark comedy

I know we only hear about the bad stuff.

I've been a journalist and a public relations guy most of my life. I know that good news doesn't sell. I'm not trying to insult anyone by presenting this question in my own inimitable fashion, but I do think it is a valid question.
 

GNTLGNT

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Thanks for your post, G., and thanks for at least paying lip service to the idea that -- yes -- it is meant, partially at least, as dark comedy

I know we only hear about the bad stuff.

I've been a journalist and a public relations guy most of my life. I know that good news doesn't sell. I'm not trying to insult anyone by presenting this question in my own inimitable fashion, but I do think it is a valid question.
...hand in glove eh?....
 

Pucker

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...hand in glove eh?....

Well . . . Scott, is it? . . . truth in advertising, yes.

It's not the message, it's the presentation. I'd be lying if I didn't own that. We're in a political season now, which defines the exact conundrum you so wisely point out. It might not surprise you to learn that I cut my teeth in "Public Affairs" as an employee (or a resource, if you prefer) of the US government.

I see chicanery everywhere because I was taught specifically how to present chicanery . .. . and to make sure those to whom I presented it did not.

Make of that what you will.
 

GNTLGNT

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Well . . . Scott, is it? . . . truth in advertising, yes.

It's not the message, it's the presentation. I'd be lying if I didn't own that. We're in a political season now, which defines the exact conundrum you so wisely point out. It might not surprise you to learn that I cut my teeth in "Public Affairs" as an employee (or a resource, if you prefer) of the US government.

I see chicanery everywhere because I was taught specifically how to present chicanery . .. . and to make sure those to whom I presented it did not.

Make of that what you will.
...I meant no offense man, remember-36 years in radio here....
 

mjs9153

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Back to the subject,what are teachers,and law enforcement supposed to do? Just ignore the kid,and let them do what they want?I do think it could have been handled better,that is the law enforcement one,with a come along technique,but that is a pain compliance technique as well.There has to be a point where we stop allowing these behaviors by kids defying their teachers,and the police,or you may as well give up the ship..and just homeschool your kids..
 

Grandpa

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Thanks for your post, G., and thanks for at least paying lip service to the idea that -- yes -- it is meant, partially at least, as dark comedy
Well, the "lip service" was the genuine statement that I hoped I was missing some humor.

I've been a journalist and a public relations guy most of my life. I know that good news doesn't sell. I'm not trying to insult anyone by presenting this question in my own inimitable fashion,
If one were a teacher, I'm not sure how the statement could be anything but insulting. And I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but if I were to say, "Do police actually enforce laws, or are they looking to carry guns, be over-authoritative, and harass the public**?" then it would be insulting to police. And no, I don't feel that way.

Teachers and police are two arenas of tough jobs. They don't need others making it tougher, although that certainly happens. Nor should they be beyond review and reproach when they don't do well.

but I do think it is a valid question.
I trust I answered it, at least from my experience and perspective.




**I did have one police acquaintance who told me that, in fact, his job was to harass the public. It's sometimes hard to tell, but I think he was serious.
 

Lepplady

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Back to the subject,what are teachers,and law enforcement supposed to do? Just ignore the kid,and let them do what they want?I do think it could have been handled better,that is the law enforcement one,with a come along technique,but that is a pain compliance technique as well.There has to be a point where we stop allowing these behaviors by kids defying their teachers,and the police,or you may as well give up the ship..and just homeschool your kids..
That's the problem. Their hands are tied. They pretty much DO have to just let it happen. Then the kid is either sent to detention or suspended. With the "No student left behind" incentive, a lot of kids are sent to in-school suspension for a week then plopped right back into the class they disrupted in the first place. And then the parents get ticked because their kids are barely literate. It's totally bass-ackward.
 

mjs9153

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Well, the "lip service" was the genuine statement that I hoped I was missing some humor.


If one were a teacher, I'm not sure how the statement could be anything but insulting. And I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but if I were to say, "Do police actually enforce laws, or are they looking to carry guns, be over-authoritative, and harass the public**?" then it would be insulting to police. And no, I don't feel that way.

Teachers and police are two arenas of tough jobs. They don't need others making it tougher, although that certainly happens. Nor should they be beyond review and reproach when they don't do well.


I trust I answered it, at least from my experience and perspective.




**I did have one police acquaintance who told me that, in fact, his job was to harass the public. It's sometimes hard to tell, but I think he was serious.

If your police acquaintance was serious,I am afraid he lost sight of what he was there for..yes,many times it is thankless and negative and feels like you are barely stemming the tide,but to feel you are there to harass the public? Traffic enforcement can feel that way,but not enforcing those laws results in higher accident rates,more injuries and deaths,so though it is tough it is needed duty..the shield goes both ways,to protect the public,and also to remind you that you stand for something,and do your best,and the shield is to protect you as well..hope he can feel better about his job,someday..
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And I don't mean to be questioning your friend's dedication,I am just hoping he was being funny,a whistling in the dark kind of humor that can be essential to keeping your sanity..know I have had my share of bad days on the job,and several that were downright awful,physically,mentally and emotionally..
 
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