Umm.....Mr. Nobody-you are officially second only to Carol 
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About Carol
She did got a bit OTT on the kid, but really there was no other choice. In her shoes, as soon as Little Snotnose (I know he has a name, I just don't know it) said he'd have to tell his mom, because he tells her everything...well, sorry kid, you've just signed your own death warrant right there, because nothing else that comes out of that mouth is stuff I can trust.
We'd have gone for a little walk. He'd wind up on the other side of the fence. As a mercy, I'd make it quick rather than tying him to a tree to be eaten alive, but the end result would be the same.
Now you might be thinking 'Monster!' and in some very important ways you'd be right (bear in mind I'm talking about that exact set of circumstances here, not generally, and even then it is not something I would do lightly; adults...that's different, but again it would need a very specific set of circumstances. I was once a soldier of whatever sort, not a psychopath). But self-preservation is the order of the day. Who among us would really take the chance on a child's good-will? Especially when that child is too young to understand what the consequences might be of him telling? I wouldn't. The one thing I am pretty sure of is that punishment in Alexandria is not something you'd want to experience. Behind the smiles these are some cold people. (Hey, people in glass houses! Here's a stone!
Of course people might put two and two together and realize I'd wandered out of the party. If accused, I'd then point out a good few other folks had done the same. Otherwise I'd go through the concern, the futile searching, etc, perhaps after giving the others a handy steer of the 'I did see him but not to speak to. He was walking down so-and-so street. I thought he was going home' variety.
Carol, however, could have just smiled and said something like 'Well, if you promise to keep it a secret, I'll make you a nice big batch of cookies all to yourself'...and then made a very special cookie indeed, with the lad's name on it so he knows it's all for him. She makes sure he eats it, has one of the untainted cookies herself, making sure someone or other sees them sharing the cookie moment. And then the wee laddie mysteriously dies. Hell, it can't be the cookies, because everyone saw Carol eat one herself and she's fine, and I doubt they have facilities for a full tox screen and/or autopsy.
Either way, kid's a dead duck.There's no other way to guarantee his silence.
I wouldn't be surprised if Carol lures the kid to a secret place to give him the promised cookies and then kills him. I think Deanna will find out and punish Carol Alexandria style.
If Button's death added anything to the story, I missed it. I thought it was a senseless death
This is old news I missed. It occurred between the first and second seasons. Norman Reedus played the role of Judas in Lady Gaga's music video Judas. This is a screenshot from the video - the video might offend some people so I'm not going to leave a link but if you want to watch it, google Lady Gaga Judas Youtube. I didn't really listen to the song, I just loved watching Reedus in the video lol
About Carol
She did got a bit OTT on the kid, but really there was no other choice. In her shoes, as soon as Little Snotnose (I know he has a name, I just don't know it) said he'd have to tell his mom, because he tells her everything...well, sorry kid, you've just signed your own death warrant right there, because nothing else that comes out of that mouth is stuff I can trust.
We'd have gone for a little walk. He'd wind up on the other side of the fence. As a mercy, I'd make it quick rather than tying him to a tree to be eaten alive, but the end result would be the same.
Now you might be thinking 'Monster!' and in some very important ways you'd be right (bear in mind I'm talking about that exact set of circumstances here, not generally, and even then it is not something I would do lightly; adults...that's different, but again it would need a very specific set of circumstances. I was once a soldier of whatever sort, not a psychopath). But self-preservation is the order of the day. Who among us would really take the chance on a child's good-will? Especially when that child is too young to understand what the consequences might be of him telling? I wouldn't. The one thing I am pretty sure of is that punishment in Alexandria is not something you'd want to experience. Behind the smiles these are some cold people. (Hey, people in glass houses! Here's a stone!
Of course people might put two and two together and realize I'd wandered out of the party. If accused, I'd then point out a good few other folks had done the same. Otherwise I'd go through the concern, the futile searching, etc, perhaps after giving the others a handy steer of the 'I did see him but not to speak to. He was walking down so-and-so street. I thought he was going home' variety.
Carol, however, could have just smiled and said something like 'Well, if you promise to keep it a secret, I'll make you a nice big batch of cookies all to yourself'...and then made a very special cookie indeed, with the lad's name on it so he knows it's all for him. She makes sure he eats it, has one of the untainted cookies herself, making sure someone or other sees them sharing the cookie moment. And then the wee laddie mysteriously dies. Hell, it can't be the cookies, because everyone saw Carol eat one herself and she's fine, and I doubt they have facilities for a full tox screen and/or autopsy.
Either way, kid's a dead duck.There's no other way to guarantee his silence.
Kids are pretty easy to manipulate, and they're 'programmed' to believe adults who sound like they know what they're talking about. One reason why pedophiles continue to be successful despite all the 'stranger danger' we pour into kids' heads. As a trained manipulator (hey, degree work was in political science--lol) and a mom, I can tell you that what she did
guaranteed that the kid would tell. It would have been much more useful not tosay a thing about 'don't tell your mom'. DUMB DUMB DUMB, Carol. She could have said she was looking for something--chances are, the kid had no idea what was in the chest freezer she was investigating. Even if he did, how about saying, "I was looking for chocolate to make more cookies. Want to help me make some?" Then make the damned cookies with the kid; be his best buddy, FFS. You could even tell the kid he could keep them all if he it was your little secret. If the kid did mention something (and a greedy kid is not likely to do so, because COOKIES), she is still new enough (and has played dumb enough) to act clueless: "The cookies went fast, so I decided to make more. The door was locked, so I checked the window & it was open. Was I not supposed to do that?" BOOM. The kitchen nazi prosciutto queen comes under suspicion for leaving the window unlocked, or at least the waters are muddied. If she really thought she had to threaten the kid (and she didn't. Trust me, kids are easy.), she should have threatened his mom. A kid would be quiet for WAY longer to protect mom than themselves. Now she's guaranteed nightmares, eating issues, etc. and the kid will tell.
Now I feel sort of sick, and remember WHY the degree lies fallow. Manipulation is stomach-churningly easy.
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Kids are pretty easy to manipulate, and they're 'programmed' to believe adults who sound like they know what they're talking about. One reason why pedophiles continue to be successful despite all the 'stranger danger' we pour into kids' heads. As a trained manipulator (hey, degree work was in political science--lol) and a mom, I can tell you that what she didIt was weak writing (and I can pretty much guarantee a childless person or a guy--sorry, dads--wrote this ep).guaranteed that the kid would tell. It would have been much more useful not to say a thing about 'don't tell your mom'. DUMB DUMB DUMB, Carol. She could have said she was looking for something--chances are, the kid had no idea what was in the chest freezer she was investigating. Even if he did, how about saying, "I was looking for chocolate to make more cookies. Want to help me make some?" Then make the damned cookies with the kid; be his best buddy, FFS. You could even tell the kid he could keep them all if he it was your little secret. If the kid did mention something (and a greedy kid is not likely to do so, because COOKIES), she is still new enough (and has played dumb enough) to act clueless: "The cookies went fast, so I decided to make more. The door was locked, so I checked the window & it was open. Was I not supposed to do that?" BOOM. The kitchen nazi prosciutto queen comes under suspicion for leaving the window unlocked, or at least the waters are muddied. If she really thought she had to threaten the kid (and she didn't. Trust me, kids are easy.), she should have threatened his mom. A kid would be quiet for WAY longer to protect mom than themselves. Now she's guaranteed nightmares, eating issues, etc. and the kid will tell.
Now I feel sort of sick, and remember WHY the degree lies fallow. Manipulation is stomach-churningly easy.
It worries me some that skimom so easily thinks like a master criminal lol
Maybe--better safe than sorry
DoneHave added it to the quote in NBNP's post as well.Maybe--better safe than sorry
Kids are pretty easy to manipulate, and they're 'programmed' to believe adults who sound like they know what they're talking about. One reason why pedophiles continue to be successful despite all the 'stranger danger' we pour into kids' heads. As a trained manipulator (hey, degree work was in political science--lol) and a mom, I can tell you that what she didIt was weak writing (and I can pretty much guarantee a childless person or a guy--sorry, dads--wrote this ep).guaranteed that the kid would tell. It would have been much more useful not tosay a thing about 'don't tell your mom'. DUMB DUMB DUMB, Carol. She could have said she was looking for something--chances are, the kid had no idea what was in the chest freezer she was investigating. Even if he did, how about saying, "I was looking for chocolate to make more cookies. Want to help me make some?" Then make the damned cookies with the kid; be his best buddy, FFS. You could even tell the kid he could keep them all if he it was your little secret. If the kid did mention something (and a greedy kid is not likely to do so, because COOKIES), she is still new enough (and has played dumb enough) to act clueless: "The cookies went fast, so I decided to make more. The door was locked, so I checked the window & it was open. Was I not supposed to do that?" BOOM. The kitchen nazi prosciutto queen comes under suspicion for leaving the window unlocked, or at least the waters are muddied. If she really thought she had to threaten the kid (and she didn't. Trust me, kids are easy.), she should have threatened his mom. A kid would be quiet for WAY longer to protect mom than themselves. Now she's guaranteed nightmares, eating issues, etc. and the kid will tell.
Now I feel sort of sick, and remember WHY the degree lies fallow. Manipulation is stomach-churningly easy.
Your thoughts parallel mine, I would have
told the kid I was there for the chocolate to make more cookies. Maybe they were just trying to show the outside the gates Carol? She had a child of her own at one time.
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YUP. Over the top, unless we were supposed to see that
she's 'gone native' and lost her humanity
Kids are pretty easy to manipulate, and they're 'programmed' to believe adults who sound like they know what they're talking about. One reason why pedophiles continue to be successful despite all the 'stranger danger' we pour into kids' heads. As a trained manipulator (hey, degree work was in political science--lol) and a mom, I can tell you that what she didIt was weak writing (and I can pretty much guarantee a childless person or a guy--sorry, dads--wrote this ep).guaranteed that the kid would tell. It would have been much more useful not tosay a thing about 'don't tell your mom'. DUMB DUMB DUMB, Carol. She could have said she was looking for something--chances are, the kid had no idea what was in the chest freezer she was investigating. Even if he did, how about saying, "I was looking for chocolate to make more cookies. Want to help me make some?" Then make the damned cookies with the kid; be his best buddy, FFS. You could even tell the kid he could keep them all if he it was your little secret. If the kid did mention something (and a greedy kid is not likely to do so, because COOKIES), she is still new enough (and has played dumb enough) to act clueless: "The cookies went fast, so I decided to make more. The door was locked, so I checked the window & it was open. Was I not supposed to do that?" BOOM. The kitchen nazi prosciutto queen comes under suspicion for leaving the window unlocked, or at least the waters are muddied. If she really thought she had to threaten the kid (and she didn't. Trust me, kids are easy.), she should have threatened his mom. A kid would be quiet for WAY longer to protect mom than themselves. Now she's guaranteed nightmares, eating issues, etc. and the kid will tell.
Now I feel sort of sick, and remember WHY the degree lies fallow. Manipulation is stomach-churningly easy.
Or that, yes.
I did mention that she'd guaranteed him nightmares, which would break him down despite himself.
I guess that's the different between a female who's a mom and a trained manipulator (though as a guy (and kidding around), I don't see how or why a woman would need training there; it's scary that there are some!) and me; a bloke without kids who's been trained to kill if or when necessary, and/or as ordered. Even then, as I pointed out, it would need a very, very specific set of circumstances and what you might call a clear and present danger to my own future well-being for me to consider anything of the kind - and that would never occur outside of something like the ZA. It's still my instinct as a human being to protect kids if and where possible, regardless of circumstances, and most likely regardless of the consequences for me.
I guess I put myself in her shoes, ran with it, and couldn't see the other ways out (and even then, manipulation doesn't guarantee silence...but it'd stand a better chance than the whole tying to a tree thing, which as I said, was OTT). A case of not seeing the wood for the flowers, maybe?
I guess that's the different between a female who's a mom and a trained manipulator (though as a guy (and kidding around), I don't see how or why a woman would need training there; it's scary that there are some!
) and me; a bloke without kids who's been trained to kill if or when necessary, and/or as ordered. Even then, as I pointed out, it would need a very, very specific set of circumstances and what you might call a clear and present danger to my own future well-being for me to consider anything of the kind - and that would never occur outside of something like the ZA. It's still my instinct as a human being to protect kids if and where possible, regardless of circumstances, and most likely regardless of the consequences for me.I guess I put myself in her shoes, ran with it, and couldn't see the other ways out (and even then, manipulation doesn't guarantee silence...but it'd stand a better chance than the whole tying to a tree thing, which as I said, was OTT). A case of not seeing the wood for the flowers, maybe?
There are either going to be a lot of exits at the end of this season, or maybe they'll throw a curve and end with none. (My money's on a lot: 4+)
And on A&E, there is The Returned, people coming back to town from the grave. It started 9 Mar, but first epi is being repeated. I just found out about it.
I still don't think that the
Alexandrians aren't on the up-and-up. I think they are holding some of their cards close to the vest, but that Rick and Carol are making a big mistake in judging them as hostile without nearly enough proof, and Daryl is rightfully sensing it. As I said before, the horse symbolizes the Alexandrians, who have been incredibly lucky before but whose luck is about to run out, and though there are the enemies without, there are wolves within. Rick is starting to creep me out with his gun caresses and Merle-tones leer at the married woman. Morgan might arrive in time to save Rick's soul, but I tap Daryl to put a bolt between Carol's deeply psychotic eyes. I still think Rick is going to kill Glenn, Daryl is going to wind up having to protect Maggie from him, the Wolves outside are going to attack, and everything's going to go into the toilet from there.
I watched the French version and absolutely loved it. I didn't know the US remake had started already--I'll have to check Hulu for it tonight. Thanks!
Or that, yes.
If it now turns out as I think it will - or has to - then I agree, the writing could have been sharper.I did mention that she'd guaranteed him nightmares, which would break him down despite himself.
I guess that's the different between a female who's a mom and a trained manipulator (though as a guy (and kidding around), I don't see how or why a woman would need training there; it's scary that there are some!
I guess I put myself in her shoes, ran with it, and couldn't see the other ways out (and even then, manipulation doesn't guarantee silence...but it'd stand a better chance than the whole tying to a tree thing, which as I said, was OTT). A case of not seeing the wood for the flowers, maybe?
There are either going to be a lot of exits at the end of this season, or maybe they'll throw a curve and end with none. (My money's on a lot: 4+)
Cheeky! lol
Carol's a nutter and you know it! I predict a couple of deaths (likely Abraham and Carol) at the end of this season and then a bloodbath in the next season. I hope they're winding it down and stick to the original 7 seasons they arced out at the beginning (though I suspect season 3 will bollox that up and they might take another season to get finished, making 8 seasons).
I predict a couple of deaths (likely Abraham and Carol) at the end of this season and then a bloodbath in the next season. I hope they're winding it down and stick to the original 7 seasons they arced out at the beginning (though I suspect season 3 will bollox that up and they might take another season to get finished, making 8 seasons).
Cheeky! lolCarol's a nutter and you know it!
Oh, yes.
(To being cheeky and to the other thing.)And while, under those circumstances, I might reluctantly take the kid for a walk - I'd never give anyone that kind of power over me, as eventually it would be used as a lever (though that could have made for a better story, had they allowed themselves the time to let it ferment rather than have to go crash, bang, wallop in three eps) - but what I would never and could never do is basically terrorize a child, as Carol did. That I found unforgiveable, and a little off-kilter for the character if I'm honest given that she was a mother, had cared for the kids, was still involved in the care of Carl and especially Judith, and started out this season in hero-mode. It really just seemed like a blatant 'And...taxi for Carol!' move, which irked me because I've enjoyed the character's growth and like Melissa McBride as an actress (she had all of two scenes in The Mist and practically stole the whole film with them). And I like her eyes. lol
The bottom line, I guess, is that if she's on the way out - as seems likely - there are better ways to have done it. I like the idea that it'll be Daryl who has to take her out, though. What she did was psychologically abuse the boy, and Daryl was at the very least psychologically abused as a boy. As loyal as he may be towards the other members of the group, his own past would be stronger, and if he thought he was doing the kid a favour...
I also liked the idea that this was always a community of doomsday preppers - well connected and fairly wealthy ones, sure, but no one ever said they were all poor or from the lunatic fringe (and, in terms of TWD, they'd have been right anyhow) - but I don't see Morgan turning up any time soon, not with Lennie James being tied up by his new show. Maybe next year. Or maybe in his own TWD spin-off, detailing Morgan's story and his own 'further adventures', possibly bringing him and a group together as TWD winds down in a handover ep.
The bottom line, I guess, is that if she's on the way out - as seems likely - there are better ways to have done it. I like the idea that it'll be Daryl who has to take her out, though. What she did was psychologically abuse the boy, and Daryl was at the very least psychologically abused as a boy. As loyal as he may be towards the other members of the group, his own past would be stronger, and if he thought he was doing the kid a favour...
I also liked the idea that this was always a community of doomsday preppers - well connected and fairly wealthy ones, sure, but no one ever said they were all poor or from the lunatic fringe (and, in terms of TWD, they'd have been right anyhow
) - but I don't see Morgan turning up any time soon, not with Lennie James being tied up by his new show. Maybe next year. Or maybe in his own TWD spin-off, detailing Morgan's story and his own 'further adventures', possibly bringing him and a group together as TWD winds down in a handover ep.
What is name of Lennie James' new show?Oh, yes.
And while, under those circumstances, I might reluctantly take the kid for a walk - I'd never give anyone that kind of power over me, as eventually it would be used as a lever (though that could have made for a better story, had they allowed themselves the time to let it ferment rather than have to go crash, bang, wallop in three eps) - but what I would never and could never do is basically terrorize a child, as Carol did. That I found unforgiveable, and a little off-kilter for the character if I'm honest given that she was a mother, had cared for the kids, was still involved in the care of Carl and especially Judith, and started out this season in hero-mode. It really just seemed like a blatant 'And...taxi for Carol!' move, which irked me because I've enjoyed the character's growth and like Melissa McBride as an actress (she had all of two scenes in The Mist and practically stole the whole film with them). And I like her eyes. lol
The bottom line, I guess, is that if she's on the way out - as seems likely - there are better ways to have done it. I like the idea that it'll be Daryl who has to take her out, though. What she did was psychologically abuse the boy, and Daryl was at the very least psychologically abused as a boy. As loyal as he may be towards the other members of the group, his own past would be stronger, and if he thought he was doing the kid a favour...
I also liked the idea that this was always a community of doomsday preppers - well connected and fairly wealthy ones, sure, but no one ever said they were all poor or from the lunatic fringe (and, in terms of TWD, they'd have been right anyhow
Critical. Medical drama, iirc written by Jed Mercurio (Line of Duty, also starring Lennie James). It's currently airing over here.