What artist/song are you listening to RIGHT NOW? Take 2

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Edward John

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Is this for real? You have to pay a few hundred bucks for an online course with musicians who would rather be anywhere else than online and conducting music lessons? Here's an idea, because of the economic hardhips due to Covid, they put the lessons on YouTube for free.
 

swiftdog2.0

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Is this for real? You have to pay a few hundred bucks for an online course with musicians who would rather be anywhere else than online and conducting music lessons? Here's an idea, because of the economic hardhips due to Covid, they put the lessons on YouTube for free.

Let me say this about that.

Yes, it’s for real. I am attending the Vernon Reid class next week. It is costing me less than “a couple hundred bucks”.

I don’t know why you have this belief that the musicians involved don’t want to be there. That’s a very broad brush to paint with. I have attended a fantasy camp session in person in the past and the instructors there were great to work with. Additionally, I have met (and in some cases hung out with) several professional rock musicians. I haven’t had a negative experience yet. Stereotypes are dangerous. Be careful of them.

As far as cost goes, why do you feel the instructors should work for free? These days most musicians make the majority of their money touring and selling merchandise. No one can tour right now so income streams have taken a hit. The instruction provided by these subject matter experts is unique. There is value in that. People deserve to be compensated for sharing their time and expertise.

An interactive class is much more engaging than pre-recorded lessons on YouTube. You are paying for the interaction. No different than if you were taking private music lessons. These classes provide a relatively affordable way to learn from some of the best musicians in the world.
 

Edward John

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Let me say this about that.

Yes, it’s for real. I am attending the Vernon Reid class next week. It is costing me less than “a couple hundred bucks”.

I don’t know why you have this belief that the musicians involved don’t want to be there. That’s a very broad brush to paint with. I have attended a fantasy camp session in person in the past and the instructors there were great to work with. Additionally, I have met (and in some cases hung out with) several professional rock musicians. I haven’t had a negative experience yet. Stereotypes are dangerous. Be careful of them.

As far as cost goes, why do you feel the instructors should work for free? These days most musicians make the majority of their money touring and selling merchandise. No one can tour right now so income streams have taken a hit. The instruction provided by these subject matter experts is unique. There is value in that. People deserve to be compensated for sharing their time and expertise.

An interactive class is much more engaging than pre-recorded lessons on YouTube. You are paying for the interaction. No different than if you were taking private music lessons. These classes provide a relatively affordable way to learn from some of the best musicians in the world.
I'm sure most musicians would be more than happy to meet with their fans, assuming you are paying money to do so. I was at a Ross the Boss show and he stuck around after the show and met all the fans, signings and everything, did not charge anyone anything to do that. Ross isn't on the same touring level that any of the guys involved in these "Fantasy Camps" are, yet he's the one who isn't charging fans anything more to meet with them.

All the people involved in these things are name bands, do you think David Ellefson or The BOC or any of the other bands involved will be financially destoryed because of Covid? What about thier fans who, because of the pandemic, do not have the money to participate in this? I'm not criticising anyone for doing this, if people want to do it then do it, just don't pretend that they are "doing it for the fans."
 

swiftdog2.0

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I'm sure most musicians would be more than happy to meet with their fans, assuming you are paying money to do so. I was at a Ross the Boss show and he stuck around after the show and met all the fans, signings and everything, did not charge anyone anything to do that. Ross isn't on the same touring level that any of the guys involved in these "Fantasy Camps" are, yet he's the one who isn't charging fans anything more to meet with them.

All the people involved in these things are name bands, do you think David Ellefson or The BOC or any of the other bands involved will be financially destoryed because of Covid? What about thier fans who, because of the pandemic, do not have the money to participate in this? I'm not criticising anyone for doing this, if people want to do it then do it, just don't pretend that they are "doing it for the fans."

Signings and meet and greets are completely different than a masterclass. You are comparing apples and oranges. Getting an autograph is not the same as getting a detailed breakdown of technique and songcraft.

These classes are not targeted towards the average fan. The average fan just wants to hear the songs, not understand how those songs were created.

Whether or not the instructors are being “financially devestated” by COVID is irrelevant. They are providing a unique and valuable service and should be compensated for it. They could charge a much higher fee if they wanted to. They could also provide it for free if they wanted to.

The pricing reflects the consumer target market and the demand. If there wasn’t a market or demand for the service, they wouldn’t be offered.
 

Wayoftheredpanda

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White Underbelly you mean? The BOC are great, even better than Sammy.
The cover for the Soft White Underbelly LP is really interesting, it doesn't match the music style at all and looks a lot more edgy and something you'd see from the 90s. I do like it though. I saw a shirt online with the cover on it, try to see how many girls you can pick up at the bar wearing it lol
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Wayoftheredpanda

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One thing interesting about the Imaginos album is that the songs are out of order chronologically.

It should be:

Les Invisibles
Imaginos
Del Rio's Song
Blue Öyster Cult (Subhuman)
I Am the One You Warned Me Of
The Siege and Investiture of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle at Weiserra
In the Presence of Another World
Astronomy
Magna of Illusion
 

Edward John

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One thing interesting about the Imaginos album is that the songs are out of order chronologically.

It should be:

Les Invisibles
Imaginos
Del Rio's Song
Blue Öyster Cult (Subhuman)
I Am the One You Warned Me Of
The Siege and Investiture of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle at Weiserra
In the Presence of Another World
Astronomy
Magna of Illusion
I just realised how much I dislike True Confessions.