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Interesting that back in his day(Hartman's)it was common practice to give recruits a swift boot in the rear,or other physical punishments like beating the crap out of them,while today in some branches at least the recruit gets a timeout card if the drill instructor is being too verbal with them..
In late 1974 in MCRD San Diego, they weren't allowed to hit us, although it happened. One of my vivid memories is a DI dressing down a recruit in back of a building. The recruit said something that offended the DI, and the DI backhanded him across the face. The recruit's head rocked back.
The DI continued his tirade, then stopped suddenly and bent closer to the recruit's face. "Are you bleeding?" he yelled. A couple seconds later, he screamed, "STOP BLEEDING!"
I got punched, but I think it was kind of a misplaced rough affection.
The DI continued his tirade, then stopped suddenly and bent closer to the recruit's face. "Are you bleeding?" he yelled. A couple seconds later, he screamed, "STOP BLEEDING!"
I got punched, but I think it was kind of a misplaced rough affection.
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Full Metal Jacket was a heartbreaker of a movie.
...when my son went through Boot, if there was a problem among the recruits....Drill Sergeant would tell the recruits to "handle it, just don't kill them" and would walk quietly out of the bay...
Y'know, from one standpoint, it sounds good. It's the old stimulus-response thing. If you demonstrate to them that their actions bring pain, they'll stop those actions.
On the other hand, it tends to breed psychopathology. That's how they want to play? Well, I'll show them how it's played.
The trick is to find the balance. Overly testosterone types may take to their fists trying to fix the problem early, but that's not involving very good analysis. In leadership training in the Marines, we were taught a number of things to apply correction short of beating on people. But we were also told, "Sometimes a blanket party** is the only option."
Human beings are complicated.
**For those not in the know, a "blanket party" means that when the offender walks into the squad bay, a blanket is thrown over him so he can't tell who's whomping up on him from that point forward.
Neesy
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I have heard of blanket parties, but back in 1980 we were in an all girl platoon (13 Platoon) in Cornwallis Nova Scotia. I do not recall hearing about any actual blanket parties (at least amount the girls anyway).
There was a horror story about a male recruit who did not fit in. We heard they tied him to a chair and then put him under a freezing cold shower. He was sent home. I am hoping this is just a made up story as it seems unnecessarily cruel to me.
Back in the Brave New World (I don't mean that) of Marine boot camp late 1974, you weren't just "sent home." There had to be a reason. You violated the law. You couldn't medically make it. Whatever.
For those who came in who couldn't meet the first physical tests, they were sent to Physical Conditioning Platoon (PCP)(nothing to do with the drug). In there, they spent time conditioning you and prepping you for the tests. Then you were plopped into a new platoon, with none of the time in PCP credited to your boot camp time.
For those who had trouble "fitting in," they might go to Motivational Platoon. If there was an acronym, I don't remember it. In there, you would be subjected to humiliations and abuse that would make boot camp seem like a picnic. If you were there for a few days, you'd be reassigned to another platoon, with the time in Motivation not counting against your boot camp time. If you were just there for a day, you'd rejoin your platoon with humiliation and indignity heaped upon you. (I still remember one guy coming back from Motivation, paraded in front of the squad bay, naked and covered with mud, and the DI yelling, "WE GOT OURSELVES A S***BIRD!!" It was not a good place to be.)
If you broke the law, you could be assigned to Correctional. That was worse than Motivational, if that seems possible. You were in a disorderly and chaotic place run by the whims of the DI's. There was no respect, no quarter. When you'd done your time and joined a platoon, they were not happy to have you, because you'd already demonstrated yourself as an outlier and not helpful to the platoon. We had one guy who rehabbed, wormed into our good graces, and graduated with us.
There were others who either went over the fence or were medically unfit and were sent home, their time in the military unaccounted for, since they didn't have the experience to get an official discharge.
...that was pretty much the point Gpa....if they had a knucklehead that was bringing the whole battalion down, they dealt with it in the guise of extreme "peer pressure"...I understand the psychopathology without question...but, and I'm a warhawk-they're not going out there to play patty-cake...
...say what?.....the extremes I don't condone, but a good swift kick in the arse by your "battle buddies" may do the trick-shape up or go home...ya gotta embrace the suck!...Bite me.
Neesy
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