For The Ones Who Like Westerns..

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not_nadine

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In response to Sweet Pee -

Cowboys had a horrible slobbering problem. Little known fact. Good guys or not.
This is why there spittoons everywhere. I don't know how they got the *plink* sound, though.
 

Kurben

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Another question..why did they wear kerchiefs around their necks? some was for covering their faces for a hold up, but what about the ones who were good guys.
Don't know so here comes a speculation.... Since the west probably was a rather dusty place it was to shield the dust from creeping down under your clothes and make it itch. so the kerchief around the neck would, according to this theory, have been a practical device. Protecting the throat from whatever was in the wind.
 

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Yeah, the folkses here have it right. A kerchief is just a handy thing to soak up and mop up sweat, and also to hoist up over your face, not to rob stagecoaches, necessarily, but to keep from breathing in prairie dust during a windstorm.

The Stetson is a great hat. Keeps the sun off your head and the rain outta your eyes. That's why real cowboys take their hats off indoors, not only out of manners and respect, but because they're not needed. It's jarring when I see an affected Western look out here where someone has their "cowboy hat" on inside.
 

Kurben

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The Wild Bunch. A movie I tried to like and just couldn't.
No there is no really good guys in it. There are bad and worse. It is dirty and people are not ever very nice. Thats why movies like that and Leones movies really killed the western genre for a long while. The Old romantic picture of the western was shot to pieces. Main persons as honorable as John Wayne or Jimmy Stewart became unthinkable. Instead we had The Outlaw Josey Wales, A Man Called Horse or pictures making fiun of the western genre like Blazing Saddles. It took decades for the western as a genre to recuperate.
 

doowopgirl

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No there is no really good guys in it. There are bad and worse. It is dirty and people are not ever very nice. Thats why movies like that and Leones movies really killed the western genre for a long while. The Old romantic picture of the western was shot to pieces. Main persons as honorable as John Wayne or Jimmy Stewart became unthinkable. Instead we had The Outlaw Josey Wales, A Man Called Horse or pictures making fiun of the western genre like Blazing Saddles. It took decades for the western as a genre to recuperate.
Thank you Kurben. I have no problem with dirty, revisionist westerns. But I think you've hit the nail on the head. There are no good guys. There are no sympathetic characters. Finally my question answered.
 

TheRedQueen

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Never been a big fan of Westerns. I was always on the Indians' side. John Wayne and Clint Eastwood drove me nuts. And they never paid enough attention to the horses.

But, there are some exceptions, and they aren't even strictly Westerns.

Hidalgo is my favorite, because the horse is not only the star, but a Mustang.

Open Range is a great film. Robert Duvall and Kevin Costner make you want to jump out of your seat and cheer.

Django Unchained. It's bloody and brutal, but it's awesome.

And my all-time favorite Western is a book. They tried to make a movie out of it, and failed miserably. Smokey the Cowhorse by Will James is a story based off of a horse that Will James owned in real life, and Smokey is the kind of horse that reminds you of why you love horses.

Oh, Rango is a pretty good Western too. :biggrin2:
 
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No there is no really good guys in it. There are bad and worse. It is dirty and people are not ever very nice. Thats why movies like that and Leones movies really killed the western genre for a long while. The Old romantic picture of the western was shot to pieces. Main persons as honorable as John Wayne or Jimmy Stewart became unthinkable. Instead we had The Outlaw Josey Wales, A Man Called Horse or pictures making fiun of the western genre like Blazing Saddles. It took decades for the western as a genre to recuperate.

This is the central premise behind one of the best westerns I've ever seen: Unforgiven.

The "good guys" are really bad guys who haven't reformed so much as removed themselves from society, and the "bad guys" -- some of them -- are guys that you think should be good guys. To my mind, it's a story about how there isn't really any such thing as "redemption" and, while that may be a cold message, it's probably a more accurate portrayal of life in the 19th century west than anything Jimmy Stewart ever did.
 
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CrimsonKingAH

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Can you answer some questions for me?
I notice that no matter how hot it is, the men will wear a 3 piece suit, and not sweat! What's up with that? Come out of some of those clothes!
All the men wear vests. Why?
Why do the Indians make some much noise?? Whooping, and hollering as they ride.
How is it that the cowboys always look clean? I doubt they bathed much back then. And they are clean shaven!
Why is it when they got into fist fights, they hardly ever lost their hats?

Did they really carry all their pots, and pans around with them? If so, they never made any clanking noise when the cowboy rode his horse.
If I think of any more, I'll ask..
The era in time, men wore more clothes.. and being they were out in the sun all day, they had to keep their skin protected from the elements, no matter how hot it was.
Vests were for watches and looks.
Indians had war calls... it wasn't quite the same in the movies... but they did holler, it made for a scarier attack on the enemies as well.
Cowboys didn't look clean unless it was bath day.. hahaha even on the trail they would take baths in streams/rivers/lakes/ponds and wash their clothes. They shaved at those times as well.
The hats , most of them, wore ties on them.
I love westerns
 
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I notice that no matter how hot it is, the men will wear a 3 piece suit, and not sweat! What's up with that?

Oh ... they would sweat (just not in the movies). Fashion rarely considers comfort, in any age.

All the men wear vests. Why? See above.
Why do the Indians make some much noise?? Whooping, and hollering as they ride.

Like most things you see on TV, it's only partially accurate. All those kids who died at the Little Big Horn likely never saw or heard the Sioux and Cheyenne who killed them from the tall grass. Well . . . I'm assuming they heard the gunshots.

How is it that the cowboys always look clean? I doubt they bathed much back then. And they are clean shaven!

From all I can gather, a shave and a tub bath was something of a treat for guys who didn't actually live in town. Didn't happen very often, in much the same way that people weren't all walking around populated towns with sidearms on their hips.

Why is it when they got into fist fights, they hardly ever lost their hats?

The joke in the Lonesome Dove saga was that you would see "indians" wearing hats that had blown off the heads of dudes not savvy enough to tie them down.

Did they really carry all their pots, and pans around with them? If so, they never made any clanking noise when the cowboy rode his horse.

Drives would have a chuck wagon to make all that noise, but a mess kit similar to what a boy scout might carry today -- albeit more rudimentary -- was not uncommon. One thing a cowboy would not be caught without was a coffee pot.
 
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