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swiftdog2.0

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I'm hearing tell of a 6 game suspension for Brady, loss of a draft pick, and fine for the Pats.
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A six game suspension would be ridiculous not to mention excessive. I'd be surprised if he even gets suspended. It's not like he was the one letting the air out of the balls.
 
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A six game suspension would be ridiculous not to mention excessive. I'd be surprised if he even gets suspended. It's not like he was the one letting the air out of the balls.

My view: If there was wrongdoing, and Mr. Brady was complicit or authoritative in it, then he gets what he gets.

It's a shame that New England feels that they can ignore and kick aside the rules with impunity, because they're so well-coached and so incredibly talented that they don't need to.
 

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I'm hearing tell of a 6 game suspension for Brady, loss of a draft pick, and fine for the Pats.
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I am what you'd call a "homer." I support my team
Even if they've done something that makes me wanna scream.
Therefore, I'll defend New England. I'll ignore cat-calls
From the fans of other teams about deflated balls.

Go ahead! Accuse Tom Brady... Never mind the fact
Other quarterbacks are also guilty of the act.
In the future weigh each ball that Brady gets to throw.
Sit him on the bench a while... We'll start Garoppolo.

Brady may have "took one" on his handsome, chiseled chin;
Bet that only motivates him, even more, to win.
Nothing the League does to us will change the bottom line;
We still have Bill Belichick. Believe me. We'll be fine.
 

swiftdog2.0

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My view: If there was wrongdoing, and Mr. Brady was complicit or authoritative in it, then he gets what he gets.

It's a shame that New England feels that they can ignore and kick aside the rules with impunity, because they're so well-coached and so incredibly talented that they don't need to.

Finding was "more than probable" not "definitely knew or acted". Very hard to justify a several game suspension on something you can't definitely prove.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be some punishment. There should be. But a suspension of a quarter season or more is way out of proportion for the offesnse.

If anyone thinks that a few PSI of ball weight made a difference in that title game they are off their rocker. Especially since the majority of the points were scored in the second half.
 
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swiftdog2.0

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Gotta be more than a monetary fine. At least a suspension, for a year, hopefully more....

A season? You want to hand out the same punishment to someone who you "more than probably" was part of a minor rule infraction that had no direct result in the outcome of the game as a guy who beat the crap out of child? That's just crazy talk!

A more fitting punishment would be forfeit of your highest draft pick for the next two seasons. That has an immediate and long term effect on the team.
 

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I think the severity of the infraction matters. Sure, skipping out of a contract with one team and coaching for another, and videotaping other teams to decipher their signals, in clear violation of league rules, are probably bigger infractions. Probably.

But I also think the pattern of repeated willingness and arrogance in ignoring the rules matters too. The Patriots have eclipsed the Raiders as the dirty-tricks team. The difference is that the Raiders and their fans reveled in it while the Patriots and their fans complain about being picked on when they're caught. It's the difference between a juvenile delinquent who's an unabashed bad boy and a preppy frat guy who considers himself too well-bred to be troubled by the rules or punished for breaking them. I'm no Raiders fan, but I'll take the delinquent, thanks.

I don't have an opinion about a specific punishment, but I'd like it to be at least a little severe to let the team know that they oughta knock this crap off.
 

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A season? You want to hand out the same punishment to someone who you "more than probably" was part of a minor rule infraction that had no direct result in the outcome of the game as a guy who beat the crap out of child? That's just crazy talk!

A more fitting punishment would be forfeit of your highest draft pick for the next two seasons. That has an immediate and long term effect on the team.

I agree ... that was my emotions talking ... :)
 
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swiftdog2.0

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I think the severity of the infraction matters. Sure, skipping out of a contract with one team and coaching for another, and videotaping other teams to decipher their signals, in clear violation of league rules, are probably bigger infractions. Probably.

But I also think the pattern of repeated willingness and arrogance in ignoring the rules matters too. The Patriots have eclipsed the Raiders as the dirty-tricks team. The difference is that the Raiders and their fans reveled in it while the Patriots and their fans complain about being picked on when they're caught. It's the difference between a juvenile delinquent who's an unabashed bad boy and a preppy frat guy who considers himself too well-bred to be troubled by the rules or punished for breaking them. I'm no Raiders fan, but I'll take the delinquent, thanks.

I don't have an opinion about a specific punishment, but I'd like it to be at least a little severe to let the team know that they oughta knock this crap off.

Well, I'm a Pats fan and I'm not whining about the finding or feeling picked on. I am embarrassed by the actions of my Team, though. You'd think they would have been smart enough to be more discrete. Not that they should be doctoring the ball but still.

They got caught on a minor infraction. A game or two suspension, fine and loss of draft pick or a combination of the three would make sense. I wish the league would just hand down the punishment and be done with it. If there is a suspension, I can guarantee it will be appealed by Brady. Not sure if the NFL is like MLB where the player can play while he is appealing a suspension.

What I don't understand is if this is such a sacred rule and is so highly influential on the outcome of the game, why don't the officials keep possession of the balls after they are weighed? That would seem to be a good safety measure against anyone inflating or deflating the game balls.

I'd be willing to bet Mr. Kraft will be privately fining Brady and firing the guys that were doctoring the footballs. I would be if I was him.

Anywho, I don't expect another Championship next season. Losing Revis royally messes up the defense.
 
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I'm surprised at the 4 games. As I've seen happen before with other players, he will probably appeal it and get it reduced to 2.

Punishments handed down to Tom Brady, New England Patriots for Deflategate

That, and the million-dollar fine, and the loss of draft picks made me think it was harsh, but repeat offenders usually get treated more harshly. So it goes. It'll be interesting in training camp, because now there's a true competition going for lead quarterback - for the first four games, anyway.
 

swiftdog2.0

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Four games for a minor rule infraction that the league couldn't definitively prove the player was involved in is excessive.

I'm not surprised about the draft picks or the fine though.

I'm sure it will be appealed and an independent arbitrator will knock it down or outright throw out the suspensions.

I'm so ready to move on. This has been taking up at least half of the newscasts in the New England area today. I'm sure there were real things of consequence that happened somewhere today. I'd sure like to hear about them.
 

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To me, it wasn't a minor rule infraction. We hear that football is a game of inches, of tight margins, and it's true. One play can make a difference in a game. One better grip on the ball by the thrower, one fractional ability for a receiver to hold onto a ball that would otherwise be dropped, would change the game. Which, of course, is why they cheated. It's why any player or any team cheats. Baseball is perhaps the most notorious.

Mr. Brady wouldn't let them look at his phone or emails. The team completely stonewalled the inquiry. They might as well have said, "We're covering up." With that, and the texts of the guys playing with their balls, the fact that they were, in fact, deflated, the common sense that the quarterback is darn well able to tell the difference, and the pattern of the team pushing past the envelope, I'm sure, gave the investigators the level of assuredness that they needed.
 

swiftdog2.0

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To me, it wasn't a minor rule infraction. We hear that football is a game of inches, of tight margins, and it's true. One play can make a difference in a game. One better grip on the ball by the thrower, one fractional ability for a receiver to hold onto a ball that would otherwise be dropped, would change the game. Which, of course, is why they cheated. It's why any player or any team cheats. Baseball is perhaps the most notorious.

Mr. Brady wouldn't let them look at his phone or emails. The team completely stonewalled the inquiry. They might as well have said, "We're covering up." With that, and the texts of the guys playing with their balls, the fact that they were, in fact, deflated, the common sense that the quarterback is darn well able to tell the difference, and the pattern of the team pushing past the envelope, I'm sure, gave the investigators the level of assuredness that they needed.

Still excessive for something the NFL could not definitely prove.

Hopefully, they NFL will have the Refs keep possession of the footballs after they are weighed going forward. After all, ball weight is such a crucial piece of the integrity of the game.........
 

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Well, I must point out that "more probable than not" is enough to win a verdict and judgment in a civil suit, and this is more akin to a civil suit than a criminal case where the standard of proof is much higher.

Me, I don't know if it's excessive or not. I have no doubt that there are people who wanted a suspension for the full season and others who wanted no consequences at all. If the message is "Stop the damn cheating so both teams are on the same field" rather than "ball weight matters," it seems like enough that it might get their attention. But maybe not. They haven't seemed to have gotten the message yet. Like Richard Petty said, "If you're not cheating, you're not trying."
 

DiO'Bolic

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I think the fine and the loss of draft picks was excessive, but the 4 game suspension for Brady was appropriate. Half the fine and a second round draft pick next year would have been justified. Brady was the main offender and had that press conference where it now looks like he lied through his teeth, then refused to cooperate with the investigation. Unfortunately the suspension will probably be cut in half in appeal just because it's Tom Brady.