friendly advice - don't say this

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Grandpa

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I'm having a go-around with someone who provided untimely and awful service and then invoiced for more than the agreed-upon amount and is going nutso demanding payment on their full invoice.

In the last email exchange, this person said, "I'm an honest person," yadda-yadda.

I never hear honest people proclaim their honesty. When I hear, "I'm so honest," it pretty much indicates the opposite. Honesty is demonstrated by performance, not by proclamation.

I'm done now. Just a little frustrated.
 
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Walter Oobleck

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Contracts have been a way of life for me the last 25 years or so. What kind of contract did you have with the person, Grandpa? After 25 years you'd think I'd experienced every variable possible but the only thing I've learned for certain is that there is always some new situation that can happen...something that the generic clause in a contract fails to cover. Even when honesty is at play by all parties, the unforeseen can enter stage-left and throw a monkey wrench in the works, and then maybe you have a clause that calls for 3rd party arbitration, or not...or Defcon Zulu is set and the missile silos are emptied. Or say one has a contract for X...meanwhile, Hurricane Charlie hits in Florida driving the price of OSB 3x what it was and in your contract you have 500 sheets that were ten bucks a sheet and they are now thirty. W/O the clause in the contract that says...something...this is good for seven days...thirty days...blah blah blah...so on so forth.
 

GNTLGNT

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I'm having a go-around with someone who provided untimely and awful service and then invoiced for more than the agreed-upon amount and is going nutso demanding payment on their full invoice.

In the last email exchange, this person said, "I'm an honest person," yadda-yadda.

I never hear honest people proclaim their honesty. When I hear, "I'm so honest," it pretty much indicates the opposite. Honesty is demonstrated by performance, not by proclamation.

I'm done now. Just a little frustrated.
...I feel ya...at the prison where I'm employed, I have over 2,500 honest men...amazing how screwed up our legal system is...
 

Haunted

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I'm having a go-around with someone who provided untimely and awful service and then invoiced for more than the agreed-upon amount and is going nutso demanding payment on their full invoice.

In the last email exchange, this person said, "I'm an honest person," yadda-yadda.

I never hear honest people proclaim their honesty. When I hear, "I'm so honest," it pretty much indicates the opposite. Honesty is demonstrated by performance, not by proclamation.

I'm done now. Just a little frustrated.

Service was untimely and awful?? Seems to me that is your bargain chip. This person should be concerned about his/her reputation yadda-yaddaing about his/her honesty. You can be honest to anyone who will listen about your experience with this provider's services.
 

Grandpa

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Oh, guys, I so much appreciate the sympathy. I can handle this. Not the first person I've worked with who's unreasonable and won't be the last.

What the thrust of the thread is, and it's my fault for being verbose and obscuring the meaning:

Don't protest your honesty. Honesty comes through on its own, and honest people don't have to go further.

When someone says, "Hey, I'm very honest," my life experience is telling me they're pretty much saying, "Hey, I'm lying." It's because they have to defend what they're saying rather than letting their words stand on their own.
 

kingzeppelin

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Oh, guys, I so much appreciate the sympathy. I can handle this. Not the first person I've worked with who's unreasonable and won't be the last.

What the thrust of the thread is, and it's my fault for being verbose and obscuring the meaning:

Don't protest your honesty. Honesty comes through on its own, and honest people don't have to go further.

When someone says, "Hey, I'm very honest," my life experience is telling me they're pretty much saying, "Hey, I'm lying." It's because they have to defend what they're saying rather than letting their words stand on their own.

I'm with you on that Grandpa, anyone says "I'm honest... trust me....believe me", and it's "Shields up, set phasers to stun!";)
 

Grandpa

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Take a step back. Everyone lies. Oh, I'm sure there are people somewhere who never do, but it's so rare as to be statistically insignificant. And I don't mean anything bad by it. Saying what needs to be said for your own benefit is as natural as anything else. Even nonhuman animals are dishonest when it helps them out.

But when it comes to the things that materially matter to others, inherent honesty, and dishonesty, will (as Holly said) shine through. I've found that when I screw up on something with a client, it's far, far better to say, "Sorry. I screwed up. It's my fault. I will make it right," than to say, "It wasn't my fault. The computers crashed and we've spent three days reformatting and it's been such a nightmare," and so on.

And it may not seem so at the time, but in the long run, people appreciate the honesty. Now, you do have to have some native competence. You can't make "I screwed up, sorry" into a career plan.

And there's honest and there's unnecessarily honest.The old joke, "Honey, does this dress make my butt look big?" "No, your butt makes your butt look big," might be a paragon of honesty, but it's also hurtful and stupid. On the battlefield of honesty and human relations, it's far better to call a retreat on this one and live to fight another day. (Me and other prudent guys might say, "Honey, you don't know how to make your butt look big," and see? Everyone lies.)

So sure, honesty can lose friends. Some people don't want honesty; they want affirmation, and the honesty is destructive to them. Some people don't want to hear how bad it is; they want to hear what'll make it better, and an honest assessment sends them into a tailspin. However, some people need honesty over affirmation, and they need to hear how bad it really is. The trick in dealing with people honestly is to find the balance between effectiveness and human considerations.
 
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