friendly advice - don't say this

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Neesy

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Take a step back. Everyone lies. Oh, I'm sure there are people somewhere who never do, but it's so rare as to be statistically insignificant. And I don't mean anything bad by it. Saying what needs to be said for your own benefit is as natural as anything else. Even nonhuman animals are dishonest when it helps them out.

But when it comes to the things that materially matter to others, inherent honesty, and dishonesty, will (as Holly said) shine through. I've found that when I screw up on something with a client, it's far, far better to say, "Sorry. I screwed up. It's my fault. I will make it right," than to say, "It wasn't my fault. The computers crashed and we've spent three days reformatting and it's been such a nightmare," and so on.

And it may not seem so at the time, but in the long run, people appreciate the honesty. Now, you do have to have some native competence. You can't make "I screwed up, sorry" into a career plan.

And there's honest and there's unnecessarily honest.The old joke, "Honey, does this dress make my butt look big?" "No, your butt makes your butt look big," might be a paragon of honesty, but it's also hurtful and stupid. On the battlefield of honesty and human relations, it's far better to call a retreat on this one and live to fight another day. (Me and other prudent guys might say, "Honey, you don't know how to make your butt look big," and see? Everyone lies.)

So sure, honesty can lose friends. Some people don't want honesty; they want affirmation, and the honesty is destructive to them. Some people don't want to hear how bad it is; they want to hear what'll make it better, and an honest assessment sends them into a tailspin. However, some people need honesty over affirmation, and they need to hear how bad it really is. The trick in dealing with people honestly is to find the balance between effectiveness and human considerations.

This is a cake - not a real person - please don't "moderator" me!
I believe it is modeled after Nicki Minaj

Now all I am sayin' here Grandpa is that the style now seems to be "booty friendly" (within reason of course), but yeah - I get that husband/wife "Does this dress make my butt look big?" routine. (I remember it well!)

When I say "I get that" it means I understand - please, no comments about my gluteus maximus, kay?
 
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Neesy

#1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side
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My pet peeve are those who twist the truth in such a way to make you believe something - very sneaky. If you later challenge them about it, they will deny lying. The only example I can think of is my ex who would not exactly tell a blatant lie but somehow manipulate his words to get you to believe something that was not true

- oh forget it, I cannot explain it.

I just know that after many years of his deceit I had had enough. You must have trust in a marriage or you are constantly on edge otherwise.
 

Terry B

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I'm having a go-around with someone who provided untimely and awful service and then invoiced for more than the agreed-upon amount and is going nutso demanding payment on their full invoice.

In the last email exchange, this person said, "I'm an honest person," yadda-yadda.

I never hear honest people proclaim their honesty. When I hear, "I'm so honest," it pretty much indicates the opposite. Honesty is demonstrated by performance, not by proclamation.

I'm done now. Just a little frustrated.

Did you not get a written estimate and then a final price before work was started? If you open the door for a dishonest person they'll take advantage every time. I'm sorry you're having such a crappy time with this loser. Your frustration is understandable.
 

Dana Jean

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This is a cake - not a real person - please don't "moderator" me!
I believe it is modeled after Nicki Minaj

Now all I am sayin' here Grandpa is that the style now seems to be "booty friendly" (within reason of course), but yeah - I get that husband/wife "Does this dress make my butt look big?" routine. (I remember it well!)

When I say "I get that" it means I understand - please, no comments about my gluteus maximus, kay?
Well heck, I didn't mean to moderate it. Post it again, maybe behind a spoiler because it's uh, so large. :)
 

GNTLGNT

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Haha - I know! (I personally don't see the appeal myself - big booties that is - people even get butt implants????)
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Walter Oobleck

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I had one employee who informed me I was not to question his honesty. Heh! So there's this once, Friday, I've got jobs going in Hancock and Calumet...about? 12 miles? between the two towns. This was a winter I actually had to hire employees...'99 or so. We were putting vinyl siding on in February for what that's worth. But here it is Friday and I've got two crews working, me unable to wear my nail apron. Gaaa! Never again. So I have them fill out time cards for the week, hold a week back, hand them a paycheck on Friday for the week previous. I'd been in Calumet an hour or two earlier...where my honest employee, carpenter and a laborer, were working, told them to leave their time cards on the job. I'd given them a paycheck and a blank time card for the coming week, head to Hancock, do the same with the guys there. The day isn't over, but close...we usually worked 'til 4:30 and I head up US-41 to Calumet...pass my honest employee on Quincy Hill...he didn't wave, alas.

I turn my wrist to look at my watch...'bout quarter after four. I smile, chuckle, thinking...hmmm. It'd have taken him at least fifteen minutes to reach that point on the highway if he left at four...driving fast and I assume he was. I get to the Calumet job, retrieve the time cards, the honest employee and the laborer are both gone...I look at what time they clocked out...4:30. Heh! I think it was either right at 4:30 give or take a minute or two. Monday, I ask him about the situation, said I was curious. He informed me...again...that I was not to question his honesty...I'm smiling and trying not to laugh out-right. He said they didn't take breaks during the day, said he figured that justified leaving a half-hour early so on so forth.

One of the joys of being an employer is that you get to provide the benefits of a Santa Claus all the while being called a ba$tard for real or imagined faults. I don't miss having employees. There's a pile of great people out there willing to work but there are also a pile who believe you owe them a living.
 

Bryan James

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The Truth is an oiled eel.

Most folks can't access their own, because of various defense mechanisms, so I have zero trouble expecting degrees of lie from everyone.

It is up to us, singularly, how to evaluate people individually.
 
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