Good Times( I like it when)

[blunthead]

You used a lot of words ending in -ness in that last post...friggin showoff.....damn Ohio-ans...I tell ya......

So, he's an Untouchables fan.

 

[Neesy]

I'm planning to take a basic firearms safety (hmm, sounds like an oxymoron. ) course with a friend. I've always liked guns, especially handguns, and have a small collection, most of which I've never fired. I figure if I'm serious about home defense I need to become proficient in a gun's use in order to feel confident I know what I'm doing with it. I believe in education, and know that I'll learn much more in a short period of time in a class than I'd ever learn on my own.

Reading this makes me want to apply for a handgun but what reason would I give on the application form up here in Canada?
"because all my American friends have one"?? (our laws are pretty strict regarding hand guns)

 

[Riot87]

This is the first one i ever had.

 

[blunthead]

Reading this makes me want to apply for a handgun but what reason would I give on the application form up here in Canada?
"because all my American friends have one"?? (our laws are pretty strict regarding hand guns)

I have no idea what Canadian gun laws require, but if guns are legal there at all and you want one go for it! Your reason could be home defense, yes?

 

[Neesy]

I have no idea what Canadian gun laws require, but if guns are legal there at all and you want one go for it! Your reason could be home defense, yes?

I have handled weapons in the past but never really thought about getting my own personal firearm so perhaps I will see what the laws are like here around that.

 

[Walter Oobleck]

I'm planning to take a basic firearms safety (hmm, sounds like an oxymoron. ) course with a friend. I've always liked guns, especially handguns, and have a small collection, most of which I've never fired. I figure if I'm serious about home defense I need to become proficient in a gun's use in order to feel confident I know what I'm doing with it. I believe in education, and know that I'll learn much more in a short period of time in a class than I'd ever learn on my own.

sounds like a plan. could tell you a story about a .454 i blew up...or about the time I shot myself in the head...not on purpose...and to no effect good thing, hey? i'm one of those yoopers w/hard-headed finnish roots. i've heard of one...in texas I think. gun-site? anyway, there's some really great defensive gun-use schools available.

 

[Grandpa]

I'm planning to take a basic firearms safety (hmm, sounds like an oxymoron. ) course with a friend. I've always liked guns, especially handguns, and have a small collection, most of which I've never fired. I figure if I'm serious about home defense I need to become proficient in a gun's use in order to feel confident I know what I'm doing with it. I believe in education, and know that I'll learn much more in a short period of time in a class than I'd ever learn on my own.

I'll editorialize just a bit here.

The most effective home defense is a dog. Doesn't even have to be a big dog. Just an early warning system that deters the home invader and sends them somewhere else for easier pickin's.

A firearm is effective for home defense, particularly if you're willing to kill whoever the home invader is, whether it's a serial killer or a drunk college student or a kid walking into the wrong house. It's also an attractive hazard for kids to play with, and mishandling can be deadly. That's why I don't have one. For me, the potential detriments outweigh the potential benefits. (Got a dog, though, and some things that would hurt if I used them on someone.)

But yes, if the formula works for you, a firearms safety and handling course is essential. To my thinking, it should be required.

 

[GNTLGNT]

You used a lot of words ending in -ness in that last post...friggin showoff.....damn Ohio-ans...I tell ya......

...it's only coz I used them multi-syllable werds ain't it????....dammit, I forgot Eliot Ness!!!!....

 

[blunthead]

I'll editorialize just a bit here.

The most effective home defense is a dog. Doesn't even have to be a big dog. Just an early warning system that deters the home invader and sends them somewhere else for easier pickin's.

A firearm is effective for home defense, particularly if you're willing to kill whoever the home invader is, whether it's a serial killer or a drunk college student or a kid walking into the wrong house. It's also an attractive hazard for kids to play with, and mishandling can be deadly. That's why I don't have one. For me, the potential detriments outweigh the potential benefits. (Got a dog, though, and some things that would hurt if I used them on someone.)

But yes, if the formula works for you, a firearms safety and handling course is essential. To my thinking, it should be required.

My neighbor has a dog who, if he's outside, is very effective. But they bring him in overnight, and that's the time of day I'd be most wary. I have no children, and rarely is anyone else in my house, let alone anyone with kids, so my concern in that regard is minimal. However, I hear you and am mindful of how to protect kids if/when. And there are a variety of ways to avoid a child getting his/her hands on a gun that's loaded.

I certainly hope and pray that I never as long as I live have to shoot someone. They say that if someone's in one's home and has a gun, which is the only scenario I can think of wherein a homeowner should fire a weapon at home, one must shoot to kill. This is one of the reasons for the gun safety course. I imagine they'll reinforce that particular idea, which is necessary due to one's inability to guarantee wounding someone sufficiently to prevent otherwise counter attack; and, if I'm trained I'll best feel confident in the unfortunate situation.

Oh, and I do intend to get another dog when I'm ready. But what if I want a Chihuahua?

 

[Grandpa]

My neighbor has a dog who, if he's outside, is very effective. But they bring him in overnight, and that's the time of day I'd be most wary. I have no children, and rarely is anyone else in my house, let alone anyone with kids, so my concern in that regard is minimal. However, I hear you and am mindful of how to protect kids if/when. And there are a variety of ways to avoid a child getting his/her hands on a gun that's loaded.

I certainly hope and pray that I never as long as I live have to shoot someone. They say that if someone's in one's home and has a gun, which is the only scenario I can think of wherein a homeowner should fire a weapon at home, one must shoot to kill. This is one of the reasons for the gun safety course. I imagine they'll reinforce that particular idea, which is necessary due to one's inability to guarantee wounding someone sufficiently to prevent otherwise counter attack; and, if I'm trained I'll best feel confident in the unfortunate situation.

I hear you. I have some personal stories from gun owner friends that make me question the wisdom of it, even when defending the home, even when the weapon is secure. But that's just me, and I'm not trying to debate it.

Absolutely, if you pick it up, be prepared to shoot, and if you shoot, be prepared to kill. Shooting to disarm or wound is a Hollywood thing. When you fire at someone, you go center mass. And even then, be prepared to miss and fire again. Nerves tend to affect one at such a time.

 

[Neesy]

...it's only coz I used them multi-syllable werds ain't it????....dammit, I forgot Eliot Ness!!!!....

 

[blunthead]

I hear you. I have some personal stories from gun owner friends that make me question the wisdom of it, even when defending the home, even when the weapon is secure. But that's just me, and I'm not trying to debate it.

Absolutely, if you pick it up, be prepared to shoot, and if you shoot, be prepared to kill. Shooting to disarm or wound is a Hollywood thing. When you fire at someone, you go center mass. And even then, be prepared to miss and fire again. Nerves tend to affect one at such a time.

Boy do I hope I never ever have to. Honestly, not sure I could unless a loved one was being abused or was otherwise in serious danger.

 

[Grandpa]

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[Neesy]

Maybe - that's his story anyway!

 

[ghost19]

I'll editorialize just a bit here.

The most effective home defense is a dog. Doesn't even have to be a big dog. Just an early warning system that deters the home invader and sends them somewhere else for easier pickin's.

A firearm is effective for home defense, particularly if you're willing to kill whoever the home invader is, whether it's a serial killer or a drunk college student or a kid walking into the wrong house. It's also an attractive hazard for kids to play with, and mishandling can be deadly. That's why I don't have one. For me, the potential detriments outweigh the potential benefits. (Got a dog, though, and some things that would hurt if I used them on someone.)
I do like my dog. She is great for early warning defense. I wouldn't ever start just randomly putting rounds thru someone if they were in my house. I have a escalation of force plan in my head. I can't really think of any good reason someone would break into my house without meaning to do it, but I'm still going to try and give someone chance to get on the floor. Comply...or else....You have to get thru me to get to my wife and son and one way or the other......ya ain't gettin' thru me....if I'm still breathing that is.....
But yes, if the formula works for you, a firearms safety and handling course is essential. To my thinking, it should be required.

 

[ghost19]

Haha! my man and I are like that as well. Do you have many guns or just one?

Several. Mix of handguns and rifles mostly with a few shotguns I've collected. My baby is a Colt LE6920. It's the civilian version of the military M4 rifle. I've installed a Piccadilly rail that holds an Eotech holographic red dot sight and a 4X magnifier scope for longer range shooting. It's taken me a few years to get it built like I want but at 350-500 yards, it's absolutely dead on accurate, even using the iron sights. Sigh....now I want to go to the range......

 

[ghost19]

sounds like a plan. could tell you a story about a .454 i blew up...or about the time I shot myself in the head...not on purpose...and to no effect good thing, hey? i'm one of those yoopers w/hard-headed finnish roots. i've heard of one...in texas I think. gun-site? anyway, there's some really great defensive gun-use schools available.

.454 Casull blew up? That'll ruin your day. That's a lotta handgun sir...or more like a hand cannon...

 

[Walter Oobleck]

.454 Casull blew up? That'll ruin your day. That's a lotta handgun sir...or more like a hand cannon...

it is a lotta gun...put a hole in the hood of my truck, demolished the scope that was mounted up top, cracked the windshield...but it did not draw any blood. I don't know, for certain, what happened, although it might have been a case that had a hairline split. this other time I'm plinking at things w/a .38 Taurus ultra-light and a bullet ricocheted back from a chunk of concrete I'd shot at and hit grazed my temple, the frame of my glasses. Enough force had been expended that it did nothing more than scare the hell out of me. Don't tell my wife! I wanted to hunt whitetail with the Casull, but after that experience I've shied away. Have a .50 that's a blast to shoot...shot at some old paint this once...sent the cans and paint flying fifty feet into the air. I don't reload .50s!

 

[danie]

...in one way or another-you have all stated how I feel...I like it when I can roll in from work...flip open the lap-top and check on my other family...despite my flippancy, goofiness and occasional churlishness-this Board is sacred to me...I have made better friends here, than most any other time in my life...there is a connection here, that if I don't "tune in" on a regular basis-I start getting actual withdrawal symptoms...this group means that much to me....and I like dreaming of spreading chunky peanut butter on Danie...

No, she likes creamy.

...ohhhh, it'll be creamy when I'm done....

Too bad, I already ate all kinds of peanut butter!!!!

 

[GNTLGNT]

Boy do I hope I never ever have to. Honestly, not sure I could unless a loved one was being abused or was otherwise in serious danger.

a homeowner should fire a weapon at home, one must shoot to kill

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...I have stated this elsewhere, that when I took my Concealed carry training-it was stressed many times, that if it's a "property crime" when the perp is in your home, i.e. stealing your flat screen-and they are leaving with it, just let them go! Shooting someone just because you can't watch Survivor is NOT a defensible or legitimate scenario...only, as Frank alluded to-if you feel that you or your loved ones are in imminent danger-THEN you shoot to kill, not maim, but stop firing once the intruder is down...the Castle Doctrine will protect you from civil action, but be prepared to suffer an Inquisition regarding the use of your weapon, even if it's an obvious beyond sall doubt shoot...criminals living or dead still appear to have more rights then we do...as a side note...IMO, the best defense weapon in the home of an amateur shooter is a shotgun loaded with double ought buck...20 gauge or bigger...good spread pattern, knockdown power and won't penetrate walls like rifles or handguns...