HALLOWEEN STORY 2017

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Nomik

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I don't think so but he does come to the Board at times that I don't know about so can't say with certainty. It's a "just in case" scenario policy that protects him from being accused of plagiarism which happens much more than you might think.
Now that you mention it, I recall Joe Hill mentioning in a Facebook live stream that he wouldn't read anybody's writing, unless they were in a class that he was teaching. It was for that very reason (potential plagiarism accusations).
 

Mr Nobody

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Doesn't the burden of proof fall on the accuser, i.e. they have to prove that SK (or any author for that matter) saw the work in question and that it led to word-for-word or plotline-to-plotline similarity? There's no copyright on an idea, after all, and many authors - SK included - have certainly built on subjects, themes, unexplored avenues, etc, of other writers' works (Lovecraft in SK's case, for example, and I don't think he's hidden this).

Best to be safe than sorry, I know, but it seems a shame if he's actually barred from reading things like the Halloween story or thinks 'Hm. Better not' just in case.
(Personally I'd read it on the quiet anyway and issue a denial if anyone tried anything. Either that or go with 'Do you honestly think I need your ideas when I have hundreds of my own, or that your idea is so unique that no one else could come up with something similar? 'Cos if you do, I have news.' Sod 'em. :biggrin2:)
 

Nomik

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Doesn't the burden of proof fall on the accuser, i.e. they have to prove that SK (or any author for that matter) saw the work in question and that it led to word-for-word or plotline-to-plotline similarity? There's no copyright on an idea, after all, and many authors - SK included - have certainly built on subjects, themes, unexplored avenues, etc, of other writers' works (Lovecraft in SK's case, for example, and I don't think he's hidden this).

Best to be safe than sorry, I know, but it seems a shame if he's actually barred from reading things like the Halloween story or thinks 'Hm. Better not' just in case.
(Personally I'd read it on the quiet anyway and issue a denial if anyone tried anything. Either that or go with 'Do you honestly think I need your ideas when I have hundreds of my own, or that your idea is so unique that no one else could come up with something similar? 'Cos if you do, I have news.' Sod 'em. :biggrin2:)
You have the most well worded, highly articulated, and carefully pondered responses! I'm still trying to put together an equally matched response to your last PM about healthcare.
I agree with everything you said, including the "Sod em" part (assuming that means what it sounds like it means).;)
 

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Doesn't the burden of proof fall on the accuser, i.e. they have to prove that SK (or any author for that matter) saw the work in question and that it led to word-for-word or plotline-to-plotline similarity? There's no copyright on an idea, after all, and many authors - SK included - have certainly built on subjects, themes, unexplored avenues, etc, of other writers' works (Lovecraft in SK's case, for example, and I don't think he's hidden this).

Best to be safe than sorry, I know, but it seems a shame if he's actually barred from reading things like the Halloween story or thinks 'Hm. Better not' just in case.
(Personally I'd read it on the quiet anyway and issue a denial if anyone tried anything. Either that or go with 'Do you honestly think I need your ideas when I have hundreds of my own, or that your idea is so unique that no one else could come up with something similar? 'Cos if you do, I have news.' Sod 'em. :biggrin2:)

They make the claim and the grounds for which they think they've been plagiarized and it's then up to him to prove it's not the same thing and/or that he wrote it before the other work was published. In some cases as soon as the judge finds out that the claim is made because he had helicopters flying over their house and stole it :rolleyes:, it's summarily dismissed. In one case we had to send the Wang disks out to a company that could retrieve the contents and the dates it was written to prove it had been done before the other author's work even though it was not similar enough to have ever been plagiarism in the first place. Most of the time they're grasping at similarities and cherry-picking parts that they've included in their work to make it seem like the same thing but as you say, there are themes that every author draws from to write their books/stories and that's not enough to be plagiarism.
 

GNTLGNT

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They make the claim and the grounds for which they think they've been plagiarized and it's then up to him to prove it's not the same thing and/or that he wrote it before the other work was published. In some cases as soon as the judge finds out that the claim is made because he had helicopters flying over their house and stole it :rolleyes:, it's summarily dismissed. In one case we had to send the Wang disks out to a company that could retrieve the contents and the dates it was written to prove it had been done before the other author's work even though it was not similar enough to have ever been plagiarism in the first place. Most of the time they're grasping at similarities and cherry-picking parts that they've included in their work to make it seem like the same thing but as you say, there are themes that every author draws from to write their books/stories and that's not enough to be plagiarism.
....she said Wang Disks.....
 

Nomik

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Well, board.... The Story is done and i and the rest who wrote hope youll like it. We'll begin airing it monday......
Have a good weekend. Nomik was fantastic as the editor!!!

Twisted Tricks and Treats for all who dare. :bat: :ghost: :ghostface:

Nomi was an absolute doll! :love_heart:

Thank you! Enjoy the heck out of this story. If you enjoy reading it even a fraction as much as we enjoyed creating it, you are in fr a treat. Now, I'm off to Google "wang discs"......
 

Nomik

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....she said Wang Disks.....

yes. yes she did.
Okay everyone, the mystery is solved. A quick search of the phrase "wang discs" yielded the following:
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I'm glad that mystery is solved! :baffle:
 

Mr Nobody

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They make the claim and the grounds for which they think they've been plagiarized and it's then up to him to prove it's not the same thing and/or that he wrote it before the other work was published. In some cases as soon as the judge finds out that the claim is made because he had helicopters flying over their house and stole it :rolleyes:, it's summarily dismissed. In one case we had to send the Wang disks out to a company that could retrieve the contents and the dates it was written to prove it had been done before the other author's work even though it was not similar enough to have ever been plagiarism in the first place. Most of the time they're grasping at similarities and cherry-picking parts that they've included in their work to make it seem like the same thing but as you say, there are themes that every author draws from to write their books/stories and that's not enough to be plagiarism.

Not 100% sure, but I think it works slightly differently under UK law in that if you're accused, they make the claim and outline the grounds, but they then have to prove that what you wrote is the same or that you had prior knowledge (for those cases where they submitted to a shared (prospective) publisher or agent). It also works the other way, in that you can/have to provide evidence that there's no case to answer, because over here the claim would be filed with the civil court - which can make a judgement based on balance of probabilities - rather than the criminal court (judgement based on 'beyond reasonable doubt').