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Grandpa

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I'm a peaceful, serene guy, generally.

If you have a granddaughter who's all sweetness and light and love, and there are ugly-natured people in her school being mean and making her feel bad, rejected, and to question her good nature, it would be a bad thing to go to the school and start throwing them against the wall, right?

I think I know the answer, but I just want to be sure.



(I'm a little annoyed.)
 

FlakeNoir

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I'm a peaceful, serene guy, generally.

If you have a granddaughter who's all sweetness and light and love, and there are ugly-natured people in her school being mean and making her feel bad, rejected, and to question her good nature, it would be a bad thing to go to the school and start throwing them against the wall, right?

I think I know the answer, but I just want to be sure.



(I'm a little annoyed.)
Bad in what way? :biggrin2:

I feel your pain, poor baby-girl, just keep reassuring her of who she is.
 

skimom2

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Nothing feels worse than something bad happening to your babies. I'm so sorry. You can't toss the kids like tiddly winks (and I have been there), but you can check that the school is aware and taking it seriously. Family can build her up, but is there somewhere else she can go to school?

We had issues with our girls (being a different religion from the majority is HUGE here), and it was especially bad with DD#2. She's hella smart and hella tall in addition to being the 'wrong' religion. By 5th grade she was so miserable that we changed her to a charter school across town (we live right next door to an elementary school). The difference is night and day. Kids are mainly smart, parents choose the school so it is tolerant, classes are smaller and more challenging, and she's happy. 4 good years don't completely wipe out 6 bad ones, but it was (and is) definitely worth it. :)
 

GNTLGNT

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...glad to see we are cut from the same bolt of cloth Gpa...and yeah, curb stomping the little bastids IS against the law....animals have nothing on cruelty...they are a serene lot compared to kids....let the school handle it as they should, and then-make it personal with the families and authorities...too much anti-bullying legislation out there now to let it continue...
 

DiO'Bolic

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I'm right there with you Grandpa! Sometimes it takes all the power within us to not do what should be done. There will always be creeps who pray on others just for the "fun" of it.

I have a daughter who went through years of bullying. Schools talk a good game about bullying, but when it comes to action, they're impotent. We went through the proper school channels, but little to nothing came from it. They treated her as though she was a bother for making them actually have to try and do something. But the schools minimal actions never had any teeth, and it just continued. Finally I convinced her that if she wanted it to stop, it would have to come from her. I got her enrolled in self defense classes, more for the confidence building than anything else. She hated it because she is the type to never hurt a fly. I agreed she could stop the classes once she demonstrated she could use the training to her advantage. I told her she had my blessing to take matters into her own hands, and would have my full support to fight the school if they took any disciplinary action against her.

Finally one day, after water bottles were thrown at her, she had had enough and cold-cocked the ringleader getting off the bus (a "boy"... what has this world come through when boys use violence against girls just for the "fun" of it? :(). He was humiliated in front of his friends. Teachers quickly put a stop to it, and the boy got suspended for his actions on the bus, and nothing was done against my daughter. I allowed her to stop taking the self defense classes because it had served it purpose. The bullying stopped!

Fast forward... Now she serves as the protector on the bus and in school when she sees bullying taking place. I have had some sessions with the school over her actions to help others, but nothing has ever been done to her and nothing has ever gone on her record. I shame the school for their inability to actually do anything constructive against bullying, and tell them nothing better happen against my daughter for actually doing something to curb bullying, or there will be hell to pay.

Secretly I think they appreciate what she does, but can't publicly admit it, and have to "appear" to do something by talking with her and a parent when an incident occurs. Whenever we have to attend a school function as a parent and the administrators "talk about all they do to stop bullying," I can see the fear in their eyes when they glance over at me... hoping I will just keep my mouth shut. (But they do see my condescending smile). I figure saying nothing gives me a little upper hand when I have to deal with them in the future, and I use it. :)
 
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HollyGolightly

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I'm a peaceful, serene guy, generally.

If you have a granddaughter who's all sweetness and light and love, and there are ugly-natured people in her school being mean and making her feel bad, rejected, and to question her good nature, it would be a bad thing to go to the school and start throwing them against the wall, right?

I think I know the answer, but I just want to be sure.



(I'm a little annoyed.)
Oh my heart! Your precious girl needs someone to intervene. It's not OK to be treated badly. It's called bullying. Make it stop.
 

HollyGolightly

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(I'm right there with you Grandpa! Sometimes it takes all the power within us to not do what should be done. There will always be creeps who pray on others just for the "fun" of it.

I have a daughter who went through years of bullying. Schools talk a good game about bullying, but when it comes to action, they're impotent. We went through the proper school channels, but little to nothing came from it. They treated her as though she was a bother for making them actually have to try and do something. But the schools minimal actions never had any teeth, and it just continued. Finally I convinced her that if she wanted it to stop, it would have to come from her. I got her enrolled in self defense classes, more for the confidence building than anything else. She hated it because she is the type to never hurt a fly. I agreed she could stop the classes once she demonstrated she could use the training to her advantage. I told her she had my blessing to take matters into her own hands, and would have my full support to fight the school if they took any disciplinary action against her.

Finally one day, after water bottles were thrown at her, she had had enough and cold-cocked the ringleader getting off the bus (a "boy"... what has this world come through when boys use violence against girls just for the "fun" of it? :(). He was humiliated in front of his friends. Teachers quickly put a stop to it, and the boy got suspended for his actions on the bus, and nothing was done against my daughter. I allowed her to stop taking the self defense classes because it had served it purpose. The bullying stopped!

Fast forward... Now she serves as the protector on the bus and in school when she sees bullying taking place. I have had some sessions with the school over her actions to help others, but nothing has ever been done to her and nothing has ever gone on her record. I shame the school for their inability to actually do anything constructive against bullying, and tell them nothing better happen against my daughter for actually doing something to curb bullying, or there will be hell to pay.

Secretly I think they appreciate what she does, but can't publicly admit it, and have to "appear" to do something by talking with her and a parent when an incident occurs. Whenever we have to attend a school function as a parent and the administrators "talk about all they do to stop bullying," I can see the fear in their eyes when they glance over at me... hoping I will just keep my mouth shut. (But they do see my condescending smile). I figure saying nothing gives me a little upper hand when I have to deal with them in the future, and I use it. :)
It's true - my son was bullied and finally when he'd had enough and unleashed his size and his pent up frustration on someone, it seems to have stopped. But he did get in some trouble for it. The other kid wasn't really hurt, at least not as bad as it could have been, and we're waiting for a video that probably won't ever show up. But my son maintains he was defending himself, in any case, it can be ugly, but sometimes it's the only way.
 

king family fan

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Bullying is the worst. But going to school official doesn"t always help. My grandson has been bullied at school to the point my daughter and son in law have decided to home school the children.( Military family)
Anyhow , The grandson was through to the ground beat up by three boys. Who all are no stranger to doing these things. Grandson got a concussion and busted glasses. The school said all the boys were playing . My daughter continue raising a fuss. so the boys got a lunch detention. They also were calling him very nice things. the second time he saw some other little boy getting the same thing done ,so he steps in to stop it.
Long story short they gave him detention. Third time he comes him with his knees are beat up. My daughter asks what the heck is that from. He tells her the kids kept knocking him down everytime ,he tried to get back up after they pushed him down. The school again replys the boys are only playing. So needless to say the kids are now home schooled. The school has contacted the daughter and said they didn't realize how back this was and wanted to know if they could change her mind. Really cause there are a lot of parents behind her and some staff and it has become an issue for the school. I am sure it will become a big deal for them. Enough said I could go on and on.
 

Grandpa

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I was frustrated and wanted to vent. Looks like I was in the right place for it. This forum really is a special place with special people.

No one's beating up on her, at least not that I know of. It's sort of a shunning. She's a sweet-natured girl who is mostly vegetarian simply because she doesn't like the thought of animals getting killed to feed her. Been that way since she was 10 or 11. You think of those rare people who have nothing but kindness in their hearts, and she's in those ranks. She'll be friends with anyone.

It's her willingness to be friends with the nerds, the outcasts, the socially awkward, the marginalized, that's getting her shunned by people she was close to just days before. And me going to school and drop-kicking her former (and perhaps future again) friends isn't going to make them socialize with her again. And I don't see how the school can tell kids, "You have to stay friends." She'll have to continue on and let her own sweet nature get its results, with her eyes opened up a bit more to the world. That's a continuing life process.

We'll pick her up today, and I hope she and I can have some one-on-one time together. We get along famously, and I'm further hoping she'll talk to me or take some elder advice. And I think enrolling her in karate would be an effective self-confidence builder. Great suggestion.
 

ghost19

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Put her in karate. My son was bullied and had a crappy attitude toward himself. The discipline and physical workout helped him more than running away. Seven years later he is a black belt and has the self confidence to protect himself if he needs to.
I hear ya. My son has been taking taekwondo for several years and it has given him a quiet, calm demeanor. Bullying is not a very big problem at his elementary school. His principal is somewhat of an anti-bullying zealot, walk tall and carry a big stick type of principal. I like the principal a great deal. The kids respect him but are also all a bit afraid of him. When he takes the stage to talk at a school function, all talking stops amongst the kids I've noticed. I wish more instructors were like him. He usually finds a way to work anti-bullying into whatever topic the kids are there for.
 
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Sounds like you are all over it Grandpa..only thing I would reiterate to her is that these kind of people are usually insecure and look to put others down for their own self validation.This kind of activity is I think most prevalent during the late grade school through jr high years,until the kids mature a little,and they may actually end up being friends again once they realize what a cool kid she is..here is a related video I just saw today,of a pretty scared girl who it looked like was going to make a fool of herself,and the panel and crowd seemed ready to give her the raspberry until she showed them how talented she was..good luck with it sir,you seem to be a kind thoughtful person and am sure you will handle it appropriately..
 

Agincourt Concierge

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Mayhaps your granddaughter can join some kind of group/club with kids likeminded... my sons both were in band ... Jeff's daughter is a very petite, sweet little girl, she takes karate, her dad wants her to be able to protect herself .... and low and behold .. she is a low brown belt at 11 ! And she is very confident ! At least the school officials/teachers should be made aware... they preach some much about anti-bullying .. call them on it ... Hugs your way !!
 

Grandpa

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I think one of the reasons, besides faithful love of the descendants and being protective of her kindness, that I'm sensitive to this is that back in high school, I was one of those socially inept outcasts. There was one pretty girl, Liz - I actually crushed on her a little - who went out of her way to extend friendship. At that point, I was paranoid about being set up for taunts and teasing, and I deflected all of her friendly overtures.

I've never been to any of my high school reunions, but i was tempted for the 40th. If I'd found out she was going, I would've gone, too, just to take two minutes to say, "You were kind, and I rebuffed your kindness. I'm grateful for it, I truly am, and I apologize for being how I was."

I think I digressed.

Anyway, I just want to make sure that she doesn't perceive that her good, sweet character doesn't get her anywhere. And in all fairness, I also don't discount the possibility that it's not quite as bad as she's making it out to be. I mean, she's the same age as all these other kids and subject to the same roiling of the emotional stew at that stage of development.