My Reservation about It

Discussion in 'IT' started by Neil W, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. Neil W
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    Neil W Well-Known Member

    Don't get me wrong - I like It a great deal. It's a fabulous ride. But am I alone in thinking the destination is a bit rubbish?
    A cosmic spider?
    Come on, Uncle Steve!
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  2. Out of Order
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    Out of Order Where Everybody Knows Your Lame

    IT has many forms.

    Are you familiar with how to use the spoiler tag, Neil?

    [$poiler]Write the spoiler here[/$poiler] Use an s instead of the dollar sign.
  3. Autumn Gust
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    It has such an engrossing plot that Sai King cleverly built up layer upon layer over many pages. I think ANY ending would be a let down in some way. The real problem was that the story had to end.
  4. HollyGolightly
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    I remember feeling that way long ago back in 1987 when I first read IT. But after reading many, many other Stephen King novels, I feel like this is his way. And it's no longer surprising to me that he often leans towards SciFi-ish stuff. That ending left more open for later novels, and it really made sense to me, after some years of thought. But I get where you're coming from. And I agree with Autumn - I could read about those characters everyday and not get bored. Loved them all.
  5. Neil W
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    Completely overlooked it again. Apologies. There's no edit option on old posts, or I'd do it, so can I ask a mod please to spoiler the offending bit.
  6. Out of Order
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    Out of Order Where Everybody Knows Your Lame

    We all have been guilty one time or another. I'm sure that it will get covered.....
  7. 91rewoT
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    91rewoT Backwards Sister Member

    I guess it worked for me because I have a HUGE fear of
    spiders
    .
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  8. Sundrop
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    Sundrop the Great & Wonderful

    All the forms of IT were terrifying.....
  9. mustangclaire
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    mustangclaire There's petrol runnin' through my veins.

    *gulps and protests loudly*..... BUT "IT" IS MY FAVOURITE BOOK EVER!!
  10. GNTLGNT
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    GNTLGNT Idiot in Situ and Unholy Devourer of Cookies

    ...rubbish???.....HELL NO!!!!....
  11. Robert Gray
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    I don't know if you are alone, but I doubt there are very many of you. I don't think the end is rubbish at all. You do know that it isn't actually a
    spider
    either right? All forms that It takes are drawn from the minds of those that view it. That was merely the closest shape the Losers could envision.
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  12. Neil W
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    Neil W Well-Known Member

    Pennywise
    the
    clown
    was terrifying, but even though I'm
    an arachnophobe
    , and even though I understand that the
    cosmic spider
    is merely
    the nearest approximation to an entity which only partially exists in our reality
    , I still found it a bit lame. Loved getting to that point, though, and also what followed.

    Playing with spoilertags is fun, too...
  13. Neil W
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    Neil W Well-Known Member

    Double post. My internet is glitchy (I bet there is a story in there somewhere....)
  14. Robert Gray
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    Different strokes for different folks I guess. What, pray tell, would you have had It be in the final confrontation? Since you don't comment on the Deadlights or the Turtle, I take it you don't have a problem with the cosmic scale of things. It sounds like you just aren't scared of the final physical form the monster takes. Or is it the entire metaphysical aspect of the story that seems "lame" to you? I am not attacking you personally. Rather, I am seeking clarification. A critique should be specific and supported. There is a difference between a critique and a heckle. A critic states his/her opinion and supports it. A heckler just shouts insults from the cheap seats. Saying it is "lame" doesn't tell us anything other than you didn't like it. If you don't have anything to support why you don't like that ending, can you tell us why we should consider you important enough that your preference matters?

    I often come off hard on critics. This isn't a defensive or knee-jerk response. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think if you take the time to show us the "color of your thoughts" as Sai King would say, there should be some meat and potatoes to them. Critics must stand ready to get a critique or two themselves. We live by the commentary and die by the commentary. For my own part, I loved every part of the novel. It is an uplifting story which reintroduces the reader to childhood in a very visceral and honest way. The cosmic aspect of the tale had to be in there. Sai King has never taken the easy way out. He shows you the monster behind the door. Some authors merely let you hear it scratching and howling beyond (the easy way out), some crack the door just enough to give you a peek (a little bolder), and some fling that door open wide. Even if you personally just don't find the final, physical form that scary, you have to respect the sincerity and courage in the writing.
  15. Neil W
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    It is perhaps easier to explain what I mean by saying what it isn't (or what it appeared to me that it wasn't).

    It never struck me as horrifying. It was malicious, murderous, and generally ill-disposed to us ordinary folks, but I never found it even slightly horrifying (as opposed to the horrific drain-dwelling manifestation as embodied on screen by Tim Curry) perhaps because, as delivered on the page, it was altogether too
    alien
    and remote for me to identify with it as a threat. There seemed to be an absence of physicality in the final manifestation, which meant that it wan't visceral.
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  16. Lisey Landon
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    I had a similar reaction to the ending of Needful Things, but as the years have passed, I feel differently. To me, reading a SK novel is like going on a journey. I let Mr. King be my tour guide, and go wherever he takes me :)
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  17. no bounce no play
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    no bounce no play I am Borg

    Its been a long long time since I've read IT but I remember thinking of IT as being like a shape-changing Lovecraftian Old One and I totally accepted IT's evil without question in all its forms. What I can't remember is...
    Was IT's true form a spider?
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  18. doowopgirl
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    doowopgirl very avid fan

    The first time I read IT I had the same reaction and was massively dissapointed. So I never read IT again until last year. Maybe I'm a bit more mature and have more experience with different sorts of ideas. But it came to me that the end was a manifestation of everyones fears. A very Lovecraftian Old One.
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    No doubt the time that hecklers will spend in Clive Barker's charnel house will be a lengthy one.
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  20. Neil W
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    Neil W Well-Known Member

    I missed this. "Important" is a difficult one to justify, and I had no idea I would ever be called to account as regards my importance. I suppose I'm not important at all, although my family, friends, work colleagues and various others might disagree to greater or lesser extents. How do you measure importance? If you measure it by what you leave behind, I will leave 2 kids who have grown up into fine adults, assorted fiction (none published), assorted plays (3 performed), assorted paintings and drawings (some of which hang on walls), assorted songs (some of which are tolerable demos). The paintings are amateurish, the writing and songs (though not my performance of the latter) are sometimes quite good. I've done a bit of charitable work here and there - both work-wise (audit/accounts for various local charities on a pro-bono basis) and on stage (fund raisers for local theatre, medical charity etc.) Oh - and, I hope, I will leave happy memories with those who know me.

    But I haven't affected global economies or committed mass murders or sold out worldwide concert tours or discovered a cure for the common cold so I guess, in the overall scheme of things, I'm forced to admit that I am, indeed, not important at all. Any more than any of us is.

    But thank you for raising the matter so gracefully.
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