Plane Crashes in French Alps

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niro

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OOO the latest news report I saw,said that they did know,and were screaming in the background on the tape..deeply troubling,those poor souls..
I also found it annoying that one of the officials commented that they didn't think looking into the co pilot's religious background was really of any relevance..it almost seems like they are trying to softsoap the investigation rather than overturn every rock to find the answer..

Religous background? I guess as a german he was protestant or catholic. I am more interested if he has had a depression within the last months.:sweat:
 

Spideyman

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Do you think the passengers could hear the pilot hammering on the door of the cockpit to get back in? I would imagine some of them must have been able to and figure out what was going on. This is freaking me out. I cannot imagine the horror they must have felt.

At least two of the aviation experts speaking on the subject had stated the following: ***placing in spoiler due to emotional nature and respect to the relatives.
French Prosecutor Brice Robin says he heard passengers screaming in the last moments of the flight...
The aviation experts/pilots stated that the passengers had to be aware to a significant extent as their screams could be heard by the microphone "inside" the cockpit. Also stating the door is thick.
 

mjs9153

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Well,I wouldn't just assume he was protestant or catholic,people are many things these days,and follow different religions and beliefs.Obviously the depression aspect has to be checked,along with his financial state,but the possibility of a terrorist attack based on religious beliefs cannot be and should not be ruled out without exhaustive investigation..in the end,150 people lost their lives,and they and their families deserve the truth be found,whatever it may be..
additionally,I expect the FBI will be conducting an investigation in concert with or parallel to the French authorities,as three Americans lost their lives in this tragedy.
 

niro

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Well,I wouldn't just assume he was protestant or catholic,people are many things these days,and follow different religions and beliefs.Obviously the depression aspect has to be checked,along with his financial state,but the possibility of a terrorist attack based on religious beliefs cannot be and should not be ruled out without exhaustive investigation..in the end,150 people lost their lives,and they and their families deserve the truth be found,whatever it may be..
additionally,I expect the FBI will be conducting an investigation in concert with or parallel to the French authorities,as three Americans lost their lives in this tragedy.

But they say a terror attack is unlikely. And germany is still a christian country mostly. But you are right the more they can say for sure it was this or that the more it will help the families of the victims. And hopefully in the end it will help to prevent a catastrophe like this in the future.
 

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But they say a terror attack is unlikely. And germany is still a christian country mostly. But you are right the more they can say for sure it was this or that the more it will help the families of the victims. And hopefully in the end it will help to prevent a catastrophe like this in the future.

Unlike those poor families from that awful Malaysian flight that disappeared over The Indian Ocean.
 

mjs9153

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I hear you Niro..but unfortunately there are no lack of radical fundamentalists in Germany,and I think it is premature for the officials to just assume that there is no involvement there..we just don't know enough about the guy or what was going through his head..yesterday a lead official,Remy something, was saying he didn't think it could be an intentional act,because who would do such a thing? I think it is better for them to stop commenting,and replace with "We are conducting a routine investigation,complete and thorough but routine.." and then do so..
 

Mr Nobody

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I hear you Niro..but unfortunately there are no lack of radical fundamentalists in Germany,and I think it is premature for the officials to just assume that there is no involvement there..we just don't know enough about the guy or what was going through his head..yesterday a lead official,Remy something, was saying he didn't think it could be an intentional act,because who would do such a thing? I think it is better for them to stop commenting,and replace with "We are conducting a routine investigation,complete and thorough but routine.." and then do so..

This is true, and he could have been a convert to Islam. But there is also a danger in seeing, or wanting to see, terrorism and terrorists lurking behind every bush. Even if it turns out that he did convert, Muslims also commit suicide in a variety of ways for reasons other than terrorism. His family have, most likely, already been question by French authorities and the crash investigation team, as they'll want and need to get an insight into his personality and mental state before making a definitive report. If they haven't spoken to them yet, the German authorities most certainly will.
As for the FBI doing its thing because Americans were on board...well, at least three Brits were, too. Does that mean Special Branch, the National Crime Agency or MI5 should be adding their two bobs' worth, too, or coming up with a version they like because they simply can't trust the French or Germans to uncover 'the real truth'?
I know that sounds unnecessarily snarky. It's not supposed to, trust me, and I know the French, et al, would probably accept all the help they could get. However, whatever their findings, it does not or should not need the FBI Official Seal of Approval. They're good at what they do, sure, but they aren't the final arbiters of the truth in any and all events.
(Again, apologies. I just fail to see how the loss of 3 American lives on a 'plane of European manufacture, operating on a European route serviced by a European airline with a loss of (mostly) German and Spanish lives might give the FBI room to push in, or why their findings and/or opinions hold more weight than those who actually have jurisdiction, or a greater or at least equal claim to jurisdiction. Had it been a 737, that's different. I know that in those cases the NTSB/FBI have to be involved to prevent Seattle's economy going down the toilet...sorry, because it's an American-made aircraft. ;))

On top of all that, had he done it for religious reasons, he would have said something on the CVR or left a note or some other kind of communication to say why. Either that, or whatever group he was affiliated to would have claimed responsibility. Terrorism serves no purpose if no bugger knows about the act or why it was made.
 

mjs9153

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Mr Nobody,I wasn't saying the FBI will do a better job,or necessarily solve the incident because they are better at what they do than the French authorities..I was simply stating the fact that they will investigate as well..as to whether other national entities investigate the deaths of their citizens in like circumstances,I cannot speculate.However,I am troubled that the official so far has been dismayed,like surprised, that such a thing could occur.Well no kidding,it is awful,but it is their job to figure it out,not offer platitudes.Why do you assume that if it was for religious reasons,he would have been talking aloud?Not every terrorist has to be a loud screaming allahu akhbar nut,some may be quiet,but deadly..making assumptions is wrong,at this point,and I would hope every angle will be thoroughly checked into..that is all I was trying to say..
 

mjs9153

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sorry,would have added but the edit feature was timed out..also,terrorists are becoming smarter about trumpeting their feats,as they know they are being hunted..and it is now seen by some of them that the vacuum presented by such an incident such as this,with no discernible reason,accomplishes their aim of terror..there is no one answer to all these questions,which is why I am saying,an exhaustive investigation needs to and I am sure will take place..
 

Rrty

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Didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone think there could be a connection to the mystery disappearance of that other flight? I am not a conspiracy buff, just wondering if you think the authorities will even think along those lines. Let's say the other plane incident, in the minds of some pilots, might have been a deliberate crashing act...would authorities want to shoot down the theory, just as an exercise in the investigation, that this was a copycat move of a troubled individual? Was he looking to create his own mystery?
 

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Didn't read through the entire thread, but does anyone think there could be a connection to the mystery disappearance of that other flight? I am not a conspiracy buff, just wondering if you think the authorities will even think along those lines. Let's say the other plane incident, in the minds of some pilots, might have been a deliberate crashing act...would authorities want to shoot down the theory, just as an exercise in the investigation, that this was a copycat move of a troubled individual? Was he looking to create his own mystery?
The motives of a person experiencing a psychotic break are difficult to determine, and if the man was suicidal he was also intent on murdering 150 perfect strangers. That's crazy.