Remembering D-Day.

[Kurben]

Hi Kurben

It is a very very weird feeling going into a camp, maybe it was my imagination, but i felt like the whispers of the prisoners as i walked through. no feeling can express what i felt. If i remeber they built Ghettos in either Warsaw or Krakow. Hey The irish stayed neutral during WWII Churchill asked for help, DeValera was 'promised' by Hitler we would have a united ireland. When a man who Makes Jews wear yellow stars etc 'Kristallnacht' does that to people, he will certainly not be bothered for breaking a promise. I am proud of my grandfather(RIP Dick) who joined the RAF, he was good enough to be a spitfire(brillant plane, won the battle of britain') pilot but he met my grandmother, so he guided the spitfire pilots in. 100,000 irishman fought in that war, and only just recently have they been honoured by our so called government for their bravery and their moral courage. I am sick of the stupid violence in this country. The youth of today, forget about d-day, they don't know who Alfred Hitchcock or stan or ollie is. There is only an handful of surviour from WWII left, when they meet their maker, who will remember their bravery. the generation of the 70;s are shallow, getting drunk, earning morning, cheap sex(rather then making love to her)
Sometimes i feel like i a from a different planet with my ideals.

Correct. They built a big ghetto in Warsaw but compared to the camps it was easyliving. That is not meant to imply that a lot didn't die in the ghetto. They did. But if you were taken to a camp like Auschwitz your chances of getting out were much slimmer. I know that the germans even had some for show camps. Camps that they could show people from the red cross or something like it "See how good care we take of our prisoners kind of thing". Don't know thier names though. They were almost certainly in Germany proper. The real horrorshows they placed as far east from Germany they could. There were of course volunteers from sweden, to both sides i'm sorry to say, But at least we were a place that fugitives could flee to where there wasn't any war and that is something i guess.

 

[Dana Jean]

Man. I know It is 70 years ago today re: d-day but please spare a thought for all those brave men and women who died for our freedom for freedom from tyranny the french resistance and The members of the SOE(special Operations executive which was set up by Churchill and i quote "to set Europe ablaze") The codebreakers at blethchely park. The soe was the forerunner to mi5 or Mi6 will someone tell me in baby english which is whcih. The Lrdg -(long range Desert Group - not quite the SAS(set up early in the war) who went behind enemy lines to disrupt the Germans. The commandos who if caught by the Wehermacht were shot. In the Geneva conventation, when there is a war no warring country should don the other country uniform. The americans had the OSS set up by 'Wild Bill Donovan' and is now known today as the CIA. To all these and anybody i omitted, Thank you.

P.S. There is a film made in the 50's or so Starring Virginia Mckenna as a polish SOE agent. She was caught doing what she believe in and was Machine gunned to death. Her husband was in the army and died. The Daughter of the agent Received a medal form the King at Buckinham Palance. The film is called 'Carve her name with Pride'. I have yet to read the book.

There is a PBS series The Bletchely Circle about these women. Very good. I have the second season recorded.

 

[booklover72]

There is a PBS series The Bletchely Circle about these women. Very good. I have the second season recorded.

is it about the codebreakers?

 

[Dana Jean]

is it about the codebreakers?

Yes. Very interesting. Although it is fictional. These are code breakers who become crime solvers. So, it's historical fiction I guess, leaning to what they do after the war.

 

[Rosie Real]

I'm sure most of you have seen this by now, but this was just THE BEST. Great British spirit still lives on. Legend.

BBC News - D-Day: Hove veteran disappears for Normandy trip

 

[booklover72]

I'm sure most of you have seen this by now, but this was just THE BEST. Great British spirit still lives on. Legend.

BBC News - D-Day: Hove veteran disappears for Normandy trip

Read it. There is an speech by Churchill on mp3 saying something like this, "we will fight them on the beaches... we will never surrender" I know I am not quoting 100%, but it stirs up the emotions. If you like your music, Iron Maiden - who make rather interesting sounds and songs with interesting lyrics - the Trooper(Charge of the light brigade), Where Eagles dare, have a quotation of Churchill's on one of their Cd's. Bruce Dickinson is mult-talened. Pilot, children's writer, singer, almost made the olympic fencing team amongst others was bullied in school and has a degree in History.

 

[booklover72]

Yes. Very interesting. Although it is fictional. These are code breakers who become crime solvers. So, it's historical fiction I guess, leaning to what they do after the war.

I read too much to have time to watch TV. But I would be interested in that program. I can see you are interested in the subject. Try Robert Harris -enigma(code-breakers), Archangel(stalin's diary), The Ghost(ghostwriter writing a former P.M memoirs), An officer and a spy(the Dreyfus affair) and 3 book relating to Cicero. I haven't read them yet. but if they are like his others, they will be excellent.

 

[Kurben]

I read too much to have time to watch TV. But I would be interested in that program. I can see you are interested in the subject. Try Robert Harris -enigma(code-breakers), Archangel(stalin's diary), The Ghost(ghostwriter writing a former P.M memoirs), An officer and a spy(the Dreyfus affair) and 3 book relating to Cicero. I haven't read them yet. but if they are like his others, they will be excellent.

Three books on Cicero? Just Empire and Lustrum that i know of. Pompei is set in the roman world but Cicero is long since dead.

 

[booklover72]

Apologies, got mixed up. that is correct. Pompeii is set before the eruption and Lustrum and Empire. Have finished Jack higgins , the death trade. Can't decide to read Errol flynn or Olivia dehaviliand. I want to slowly enjoy my time with Mr mercedes. I got a book out of the Library on Cary Grant, he was one of the funniest actors around. I have read a few articles and i still don't know if his proclivity wasn't towards women. Some say he was homosexual some say he wasn't. as far as i know he neither confirmed nor denied. As for Errol Flynn, I would not leave any daughter of mine alone with him for a second. I have ordered Hitler's war by Harry Turtledove( a pen name more then likely of a famous person.) I also orderd Dan Simmons - Abominable. interesting. There is a book you should read The Lost Men - by Kelly Tyler Lewis(a Canadian Scientist). It is about the ill-fated Shackelton journey to the north pole.

 

[Kurben]

Apologies, got mixed up. that is correct. Pompeii is set before the eruption and Lustrum and Empire. Have finished Jack higgins , the death trade. Can't decide to read Errol flynn or Olivia dehaviliand. I want to slowly enjoy my time with Mr mercedes. I got a book out of the Library on Cary Grant, he was one of the funniest actors around. I have read a few articles and i still don't know if his proclivity wasn't towards women. Some say he was homosexual some say he wasn't. as far as i know he neither confirmed nor denied. As for Errol Flynn, I would not leave any daughter of mine alone with him for a second. I have ordered Hitler's war by Harry Turtledove( a pen name more then likely of a famous person.) I also orderd Dan Simmons - Abominable. interesting. There is a book you should read The Lost Men - by Kelly Tyler Lewis(a Canadian Scientist). It is about the ill-fated Shackelton journey to the north pole.

Shackleton? Was that the expedition that starved or froze to death about the same time as Amundsen?

 

[booklover72]

Shackleton? Was that the expedition that starved or froze to death about the same time as Amundsen?

Yes, There were two trips on the second, they were c100 miles from the North Pole, But the weather was so intense, they couldn't travel. They holed up, ran out of food, and I am not sure about this died. Amundsen was the first man(I think he was Norweigan) to a make it to the pole. Shackleton got within 100-150miles of it. One of the First mates on the second trip was an Irish Dude(he was from Cork) was Tom Crean. He survived and there is a play in ireland regarding his experience, I am ashamed to say i haven't seen it. If you go to his home town in cork, you will probably go into his pub.