This beam is breaking - so i take over another one?

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What´s up with the guardians of the beam?

  • Roland forgot to care about the dark tower in "The Gunslinger".

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  • Mr. King is offering a new interpretation of the beam guardians.

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  • Well, someone at Marvel didn´t care or was told to do it wrong.

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Bev Vincent

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Here are the beam pairs from the book: Bear and Turtle, Fish and Rat, Horse and Dog, Elephant and Wolf, Eagle and Lion, Hare and Rat. Roland's understanding of his world was based on "lore" that he learned from Vannay many (many, many) years earlier, and he has forgotten much of what he knew. A lot of it he took to be mere legend, not truth, until he was confronted with the reality of it.

In the graphic novel, you'll notice that Jake questions Roland about the animals and Roland says "Forget the animals." He has no interest in them or their order -- he only cares for what lies at the nexus of the beams: the Tower. Given that Robin Furth, the author of The Dark Tower Concordance, scripted the Marvel books and knows the order of the beams perhaps even better than Steve does, I suspect she allowed this scattershot menagerie to demonstrate Roland's disinterest in the details at the periphery.

Quite frankly, though, the geography of Mid-World as explained by King is impossible. We know that there is a north/south beam from The Wind Through the Keyhole, and that Gilead is on the north beam (the lion beam, Guardian: Aslan, with the eagle Garuda at the other end). However, Roland has been traveling southeast along the bear/turtle beam. If the beams are arranged like the hours on clock, this isn't possible -- southeast would correspond to a mark halfway between the 4 and 5. There is a beam that runs ESE and one that runs SSE, but SE isn't possible.

When I drew my map of the known region of Roland's world for The Dark Tower Companion (of which I am quite proud, by the way!) I chose the NNW - SSE diagonal for the bear/turtle beam, as it was most consistent with all the details I used to construct the chart.
 

FlakeNoir

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Here are the beam pairs from the book: Bear and Turtle, Fish and Rat, Horse and Dog, Elephant and Wolf, Eagle and Lion, Hare and Rat. Roland's understanding of his world was based on "lore" that he learned from Vannay many (many, many) years earlier, and he has forgotten much of what he knew. A lot of it he took to be mere legend, not truth, until he was confronted with the reality of it.

In the graphic novel, you'll notice that Jake questions Roland about the animals and Roland says "Forget the animals." He has no interest in them or their order -- he only cares for what lies at the nexus of the beams: the Tower. Given that Robin Furth, the author of The Dark Tower Concordance, scripted the Marvel books and knows the order of the beams perhaps even better than Steve does, I suspect she allowed this scattershot menagerie to demonstrate Roland's disinterest in the details at the periphery.

Quite frankly, though, the geography of Mid-World as explained by King is impossible. We know that there is a north/south beam from The Wind Through the Keyhole, and that Gilead is on the north beam (the lion beam, Guardian: Aslan, with the eagle Garuda at the other end). However, Roland has been traveling southeast along the bear/turtle beam. If the beams are arranged like the hours on clock, this isn't possible -- southeast would correspond to a mark halfway between the 4 and 5. There is a beam that runs ESE and one that runs SSE, but SE isn't possible.

When I drew my map of the known region of Roland's world for The Dark Tower Companion (of which I am quite proud, by the way!) I chose the NNW - SSE diagonal for the bear/turtle beam, as it was most consistent with all the details I used to construct the chart.
And this my friends, is why Bev Vincent is my Dark Tower hero. :love:
 

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Bev Vincent: I see. Thank you for this rich reply and it even sounds
like it could be true (and so provides me with a good portion of salvation).

So Roland´s disregarding for details is not only momentarily. But well, after
all he was through prior to that situation and he also was in "chasing mode"...

Yeah the geography of midworld is really something but i never bothered so much in regards of "beeing possible or not" as the story itself is in larger portions quite linear and someone who says (or writes) "south" might really mean SSE or so, you know what i mean. It happens so often in the real life, some are vague and others don´t really care.

The often and now even of me depicted version of a clock comes very naturally i think; but even if there was such a form it surely has degenerated and the beams might have gotten out of place and/or shape in a process of thousands of years (something none of us really can know but it´s fun to think about).

FlakeNoir: Thanks for the good advice, now i really know that this is a good place.
 

FlakeNoir

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Bev Vincent: I see. Thank you for this rich reply and it even sounds
like it could be true (and so provides me with a good portion of salvation).

So Roland´s disregarding for details is not only momentarily. But well, after
all he was through prior to that situation and he also was in "chasing mode"...

Yeah the geography of midworld is really something but i never bothered so much in regards of "beeing possible or not" as the story itself is in larger portions quite linear and someone who says (or writes) "south" might really mean SSE or so, you know what i mean. It happens so often in the real life, some are vague and others don´t really care.

The often and now even of me depicted version of a clock comes very naturally i think; but even if there was such a form it surely has degenerated and the beams might have gotten out of place and/or shape in a process of thousands of years (something none of us really can know but it´s fun to think about).

FlakeNoir: Thanks for the good advice, now i really know that this is a good place.
Bev Vincent (Author) is one of the very best to go to for all things Dark Tower.
 

GNTLGNT

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Preclaimer, just regarding "that this is a good place"... this is Stephen's official website and our full-time Moderator is also Stephen's personal assistant, so you can be sure that we're probably the best place on the web to go for news and information on Stephen King. :)
...and sullying....MAN!...do we do us some solid sullying...