delores pa is going AWOL from the camp--i knew it was going all Blade runner i fecking knew it!! bounty hunters out looking for replicants wandering the real world!!
Westworld on HBO -- Season 1
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Have seen 7 episodes now..... I just say go dolores
that's cos it's such a Hummungus spoiler, the tecs at Westworld blocked it and sent a Dexter like gobot bounty after me for my crimes.
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I hope they removed that explosive charge that will go off once you breach the perimeter!
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Nice job Out of Order on your nailing the story! I was totally wrong on every guess, and I'm so glad! I loved this show.
Just a couple thoughts:
Just a couple thoughts:
First, I was surprised that Bernard was Arnold. But, I didn't understand how Arnold felt that destroying the hosts would stop the park from opening? The hosts are shot every day. They get repaired and they are put back in the game.
Second, obviously a person suspends disbelief in these kinds of stories. Sci fi, fantasy. But, human nature -- I just could not suspend disbelief that William became a rapist and woman beater. I understand that he developed a taste for playing gunslinger, but it seemed to go against who William was for him to become a rapist and woman beater. I just couldn't buy that. Yes, he was disillusioned when he finally found Delores and she was right back in her loop, doing exactly what she did before, not recognizing him. And yes, he said he grew bored with her. But to the point he ravaged her so easily?
I did guess that Delores was Wyatt, the episode before the last one. But again, shooting the hosts did nothing but cause a little extra work to get the park open.
And who exactly was controlling Maeve. Was it Robert? OR, was it perhaps Felix, playing with a new "bird?" Because Bernard shows her that someone has been writing her story as she was doing it, even though she said no one was controlling her. But, obviously someone was. And, Felix gave her the paper with where her kid was. She asked where the girl was, but then said, NO! she didn't want to know. Why did Felix give her the paper with the information? Was he seeing what she would do? Was she robot or was she becoming "human?" The fact she got off the train, the draw of her "child," was that purely Maeve, or was that written into her code to do?
I love how Ed Harris smiled at the end. He was getting what he always wanted. They were fighting back! Although, I would have thought he would have been very pleased to have Delores fight back earlier.
I do think Robert had the final say there, next season should be challenging.
Second, obviously a person suspends disbelief in these kinds of stories. Sci fi, fantasy. But, human nature -- I just could not suspend disbelief that William became a rapist and woman beater. I understand that he developed a taste for playing gunslinger, but it seemed to go against who William was for him to become a rapist and woman beater. I just couldn't buy that. Yes, he was disillusioned when he finally found Delores and she was right back in her loop, doing exactly what she did before, not recognizing him. And yes, he said he grew bored with her. But to the point he ravaged her so easily?
I did guess that Delores was Wyatt, the episode before the last one. But again, shooting the hosts did nothing but cause a little extra work to get the park open.
And who exactly was controlling Maeve. Was it Robert? OR, was it perhaps Felix, playing with a new "bird?" Because Bernard shows her that someone has been writing her story as she was doing it, even though she said no one was controlling her. But, obviously someone was. And, Felix gave her the paper with where her kid was. She asked where the girl was, but then said, NO! she didn't want to know. Why did Felix give her the paper with the information? Was he seeing what she would do? Was she robot or was she becoming "human?" The fact she got off the train, the draw of her "child," was that purely Maeve, or was that written into her code to do?
I love how Ed Harris smiled at the end. He was getting what he always wanted. They were fighting back! Although, I would have thought he would have been very pleased to have Delores fight back earlier.
I do think Robert had the final say there, next season should be challenging.
Some things I found I'd guessed kind of right (in that it was one of a few possibilities that had sprung to mind), but for the most part they kept me going until the kind of reveal that didn't seem to cheat, but rather led to an 'Of course!' moment. Overall I thought it was well-written, though the performances and direction really made it. Good job all round.
As for William/The Man in Black...technically, he didn't become a rapist or woman-beater, since Delores wasn't human, let alone a woman...as he realised upon returning to town and finding that she had forgotten all about him and what they had shared. I think that was why he was able to 'turn' and do the things he did, to her and to the other hosts (he dismembered umpteen 'men' too, rather than just shooting them; at that point he felt that Delores was different. His visit to the town changed all that).
Of course you can then get into the whole thing about whether it's possible to rape a robot or not, involving robot rights and that whole thing, but what he did was no less shocking and unpalatable - even as you remembered that Delores was a machine, if an incredibly lifelike one - because by then the viewer's sympathies were with her, rightly or wrongly.
Basically, in his eyes she had gone from being 'a person' and someone he'd loved to being nothing (emphasis, perhaps, on the 'thing') at all, due no more emotional attachment or consideration than a toaster and there to be used as he pleased. And maybe the rape was less a punishment of her, who at that point couldn't remember any of her past, than of himself-by-proxy for allowing himself to be duped by her in the first place.
Either way, the place certainly lived up to the promise to reveal his true self. (Another question there was, did Logan die naked in the desert - as I think he must have done - or did he survive and return to the world, but as a broken man?)
I have to mention Evan Rachel Wood's performance in particular, though, and how she could go from looking so sweet and soft, even innocent, to getting that hard, cold expression...it was hardly like looking at the same character, and to do that with such apparent ease and so convincingly...great stuff!
Of course you can then get into the whole thing about whether it's possible to rape a robot or not, involving robot rights and that whole thing, but what he did was no less shocking and unpalatable - even as you remembered that Delores was a machine, if an incredibly lifelike one - because by then the viewer's sympathies were with her, rightly or wrongly.
Basically, in his eyes she had gone from being 'a person' and someone he'd loved to being nothing (emphasis, perhaps, on the 'thing') at all, due no more emotional attachment or consideration than a toaster and there to be used as he pleased. And maybe the rape was less a punishment of her, who at that point couldn't remember any of her past, than of himself-by-proxy for allowing himself to be duped by her in the first place.
Either way, the place certainly lived up to the promise to reveal his true self. (Another question there was, did Logan die naked in the desert - as I think he must have done - or did he survive and return to the world, but as a broken man?)
I have to mention Evan Rachel Wood's performance in particular, though, and how she could go from looking so sweet and soft, even innocent, to getting that hard, cold expression...it was hardly like looking at the same character, and to do that with such apparent ease and so convincingly...great stuff!
I was wondering how they were going to get a second season out of it at times, but as it turns out there's plenty of material left for next time out. Considering I was sceptical of the idea when it was announced, I can't wait to see if the quality can be maintained - or even bettered - because this turned out to be one of the best things I've seen in a while.
Good things to think about in your post.
I guess I was one of those who looked at Delores as a woman. Not a toaster. Even though she was a robot, she still represented an ideal. And the thought that he could still do those things to a representative thing being that of a woman, it still bothered me a lot. Yes, she was a machine, but a machine that represented women. Although he states that he did not hurt his wife, he didn't do these things in his real "life."
I'm not sure what happened to Logan. It would be a difficult thing to go back into the real world and explain that you were directly involved in the death of your future brother in law and business partner. I think he came back a broken man. Perhaps even having some mental problems requiring intervention. He seemed to be a little off kilter there at the end, (duh).
Yes, she could be so beautifully angelic and then her eyes would change. She said a lot with her face.
I'm not sure what happened to Logan. It would be a difficult thing to go back into the real world and explain that you were directly involved in the death of your future brother in law and business partner. I think he came back a broken man. Perhaps even having some mental problems requiring intervention. He seemed to be a little off kilter there at the end, (duh).
Yes, she could be so beautifully angelic and then her eyes would change. She said a lot with her face.
SW
...all I needed from last episode
SW!
...and the awe inspired smile.
...all I needed from last episode
SW!
...and the awe inspired smile.
Well the audience was invited to do just that. I know I did and it made for some uncomfortable viewing.
But, crucially, he didn't, and represented the truth about her character: she was not a woman, she was a thing.
But here's a question: did the dismemberment of the former rebel soldier hosts also bother you on the same kind of level? I ask because they were equally representative of being men. We, the viewer, didn't get to know any of them as characters, but as hosts they would have been given sets of characteristics in the same way as Delores and their murder and dismemberment, more particularly aspects of their suffering (such as when William tells a wounded man to reach for a gun, then shoots him), was terror equal to that of Delores (and even then wasn't real and/or could be erased...or so the folks running the park thought; those emotions were certainly real enough to the hosts who did remember). To me, given that none of the hosts could fight back since they were programmed to be passive victims, it was all tantamount to pulling the wings off a fly, or watching a trapped wasp panic as water is slowly allowed to rise up the inside of the glass before it is finally drowned: they're suffering all the time, but remain powerless to stop it.
It'll be interesting to see, in S2, if he was telling the truth about never abusing his wife. I have a sneaky feeling he may have done. Maybe only once, but once you get a taste for some things it's hard to bottle them up...and maybe that was the real reason for his annual visit to Westworld: he never really cared so much about the Maze, it was about inflicting open suffering without the risk of real consequences (though over time he'd grown bored of that, hence his search to find a way to make them fight back and actually be (or become) real, and so pose a real threat in return).
But here's a question: did the dismemberment of the former rebel soldier hosts also bother you on the same kind of level? I ask because they were equally representative of being men. We, the viewer, didn't get to know any of them as characters, but as hosts they would have been given sets of characteristics in the same way as Delores and their murder and dismemberment, more particularly aspects of their suffering (such as when William tells a wounded man to reach for a gun, then shoots him), was terror equal to that of Delores (and even then wasn't real and/or could be erased...or so the folks running the park thought; those emotions were certainly real enough to the hosts who did remember). To me, given that none of the hosts could fight back since they were programmed to be passive victims, it was all tantamount to pulling the wings off a fly, or watching a trapped wasp panic as water is slowly allowed to rise up the inside of the glass before it is finally drowned: they're suffering all the time, but remain powerless to stop it.
It'll be interesting to see, in S2, if he was telling the truth about never abusing his wife. I have a sneaky feeling he may have done. Maybe only once, but once you get a taste for some things it's hard to bottle them up...and maybe that was the real reason for his annual visit to Westworld: he never really cared so much about the Maze, it was about inflicting open suffering without the risk of real consequences (though over time he'd grown bored of that, hence his search to find a way to make them fight back and actually be (or become) real, and so pose a real threat in return).
I knew he was sick when he did the dismemberment. I knew something in him had broken. Something had infected his head. And I'm not so sure someone could change so fundamentally over the time frame of a vacation. Their very character to do such a 180. So, what happened here? I would never have guessed William could be so ruthless. Playing the hero/outlaw/cowboy part I got, but he did cross over a line when he went all Dahmer.
I'm wondering if Ed Harris will even be in season 2. Maybe for a moment while the hosts slaughter him. He had a broken arm from Delores. He got shot in the other arm. Although,earlier, he does say that he wasn't going home (paraphrasing) , so maybe he planned on dying there too.
I'm wondering if Ed Harris will even be in season 2. Maybe for a moment while the hosts slaughter him. He had a broken arm from Delores. He got shot in the other arm. Although,earlier, he does say that he wasn't going home (paraphrasing) , so maybe he planned on dying there too.
Overall a good watch but the show sacrificed mystery over character. I'm not emotionally invested in anyone on the show with the result it ends up coming across as an uber-expensive version of the Clue boardgame.
Just saw we had two of those threads, so combined them. Anyone sees duplicate threads like that, let us know.....ooooooooh, a DOUBLE bump.......
