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mustangclaire

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Jun 15, 2010
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Hi everyone. I'm at a real cross roads in my life, and I really don't know what to do. Silly, I know, to come on here and ask a bunch of folks I've never met before for advice and thoughts, but I think a lot of you on here. And my mind is going round and round and round.

As some of you know, I'm an estate agent here in the UK. I've been with the same firm for over 10 years now. Weathered recession, and kept my job, no mean feat in these economic times.

"Boss A" used to run the branch (we have 5 offices in total) I work in. Fun, enjoyable company, but not terribly reliable, but the type who ALWAYS comes up smelling of roses, everyone loved him, and he was full of praise for what all of us in the office did. Personal (pretty tragic) things led to him leaving.

"Boss B" took over about 2 years ago recruited from within our company, in my very office. He has been here for longer than me, and was ALWAYS management material. Anyhow, he took over, deservedly so, it's now "his baby".

Boss B is completely different. No sense of humour. Critiques everything we say/do. Has shaken my confidence. If it's not done his way, it's wrong. I'm not, as some of you will have gathered, the most run of the mill person, but slowly I have been instructed on how to speak, conduct myself, and question my ability. He is younger than me, but will doubtless be very wealthy very soon. Or dead with ulcers/stress induced heart attack. He knows the way he conducts himself is wrong, but he also can't help himself. It's not just me he's like that with. However, we are successful, and busy, and very well respected within our town. So clearly it works. So I suck it up each day and try to deal with it, telling myself it's just 6 hours a day.

Boss A called me the other day. He is now MD of another estate agency, and has offered me a job. Same hours as I do now (5 days a week, 9-3). I'd be the "number 2" in the office. He's chosen me because of my loyalty, the way I am with people and because I am good at my job. In the same town though, not far from where I work now, doing what I do now. In his words, the office is doing ok but they want to "shake it up" and get a new team in there.

I honestly don't know what to do. My current firm have kept me, through thick and thin for over 10 years. I am loyal. But the stress I am under sometimes is unbearable. But my job is secure. But Boss B and I are poles apart personality wise.

Has anyone been in a similar position? Obviously I'm not asking people to tell me what to do, but I wondered if any of you had any thoughts on this?

Thanks for listening.
 

kingzeppelin

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Apr 15, 2012
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My work experience is long gone I took early retirement in 1991, and spent all my working life in a much larger corporation but I have experienced a similar situation.
A new Manager came in, the polar opposite in management style to me, very autocratic. He saw my democratic way of controlling staff as weakness.
So we had many clashes, and it caused a lot of stress. It resolved itself in the end as he eventually saw that his way was not the only way.
Obviously this may not happen in your case, so all I can say is be true to yourself and do what you think is best for you.
Don't think you are being disloyal to your current Agency, if push came to shove I doubt if they would think twice before showing you the door.
From the sound of your new boss (B) he is not going to be happy until he has an office of clones, and from the little I know of you that is not going to fit without driving you insane!
So do what is right for you. If think Boss A's agency is on a sound footing, save your sanity and go for it!:encouragement:
 

HollyGolightly

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Sep 6, 2013
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Whew - that's a tough one. Currently, you know what you are dealing with: stress. Your old boss has specifically asked you to join him. Sounds like he knows how great you are and enjoys working with you. And you know you enjoy working with him. I think I'd make the switch. Your first loyalty is to yourself and your family. A happy Claire will make for a happy life for everyone. Sounds like a new adventure!
 

BeverleyMarsh

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Jul 23, 2010
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I would try and set more limits with Boss B and see if he modifies his behaviour. Sometimes, that's all that type of character need, just someone who stands up for him/herself in a cordial but firm manner for them to respect you. However I would not give that too long a try, if I saw things didn't improve after a while, I'd definitely move on then, it's just not worth it. Plus you know Boss A to be a nice person to work with so it's not like going to the unknown, you'd fall back on your feet.
 

Lepplady

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Nov 30, 2006
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Hi everyone. I'm at a real cross roads in my life, and I really don't know what to do. Silly, I know, to come on here and ask a bunch of folks I've never met before for advice and thoughts, but I think a lot of you on here. And my mind is going round and round and round.

As some of you know, I'm an estate agent here in the UK. I've been with the same firm for over 10 years now. Weathered recession, and kept my job, no mean feat in these economic times.

"Boss A" used to run the branch (we have 5 offices in total) I work in. Fun, enjoyable company, but not terribly reliable, but the type who ALWAYS comes up smelling of roses, everyone loved him, and he was full of praise for what all of us in the office did. Personal (pretty tragic) things led to him leaving.

"Boss B" took over about 2 years ago recruited from within our company, in my very office. He has been here for longer than me, and was ALWAYS management material. Anyhow, he took over, deservedly so, it's now "his baby".

Boss B is completely different. No sense of humour. Critiques everything we say/do. Has shaken my confidence. If it's not done his way, it's wrong. I'm not, as some of you will have gathered, the most run of the mill person, but slowly I have been instructed on how to speak, conduct myself, and question my ability. He is younger than me, but will doubtless be very wealthy very soon. Or dead with ulcers/stress induced heart attack. He knows the way he conducts himself is wrong, but he also can't help himself. It's not just me he's like that with. However, we are successful, and busy, and very well respected within our town. So clearly it works. So I suck it up each day and try to deal with it, telling myself it's just 6 hours a day.

Boss A called me the other day. He is now MD of another estate agency, and has offered me a job. Same hours as I do now (5 days a week, 9-3). I'd be the "number 2" in the office. He's chosen me because of my loyalty, the way I am with people and because I am good at my job. In the same town though, not far from where I work now, doing what I do now. In his words, the office is doing ok but they want to "shake it up" and get a new team in there.

I honestly don't know what to do. My current firm have kept me, through thick and thin for over 10 years. I am loyal. But the stress I am under sometimes is unbearable. But my job is secure. But Boss B and I are poles apart personality wise.

Has anyone been in a similar position? Obviously I'm not asking people to tell me what to do, but I wondered if any of you had any thoughts on this?

Thanks for listening.
The firm that kept you through thick and thin was run by Boss A, not the critical A-Hole sounding Boss B that's making your life so miserable. If it were me, I'd take the job. Life's too short to try and train a new boss that treats you like ka-ka.
 

FlakeNoir

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Apr 11, 2006
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That's really tough, (((M.Claire.)))

Question: If job security/stability is part of the query... (with the business obviously being in the same area as the already successful one) was boss A responsible for making your current company the success it is today?
If so, then he has proven himself already and can probably do it again--so maybe you can take this part of it out of your 'worry stack' and put it into 'sorted'.

Keep us posted on your decision, girl... and also please remember that (too much) stress is so, so, so bad for you. xox
 

Grandpa

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This week's sign that the apocalypse is upon us: DiO and Leppsie and I all agree.

You can't buy peace of mind. Loyalty and self-interest can be a tough call sometimes, but if "loyalty" is making your life unhappy, then it's not being a good mate. And like someone up above said, certainly a piece of your loyalty belongs to the guy who kept you happy at your job.
 
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Officious Little Prick

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I believe very fiercely after being fired for the most immaterial, conjured-out-of-nothingness of reasons after 11 1/2 years of service to a company, then seeing the same thing happen to my mother merely one month later after a whopping 30 years of service, that company loyalty only goes one way, employee-->company, never employee<--company. I would run back to Boss A like my shoes were on fire. Besides, it's foolish to be loyal to something that is incapable of expressing loyalty in return--you can only be loyal to people. Now which person has treated you with dignity, respect, support and positive reinforcement?
 

Walter Oobleck

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Mar 6, 2013
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What does your man and your son think about the situation? I remember way back, Mom says something about going to work...she was at home till then. It didn't mean much to me at the time, although, yes it did, it meant a lot to me at the time. Mom's going to work...Mom's changing work stations...whatever. What's your boy think about it? Run it by him and ask him what he thinks. And then I'd tell you what Ramon Diaz told me years ago, if digging a ditch makes you happy, Claire, dig it.

You've already considered the ramifications of going to work for the boss you enjoyed working with in the past...count the cost, realize the ups and downs of that change and then go for it. Be happy. :)
 

skimom2

Just moseyin' through...
Oct 9, 2013
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kingzeppelin .... Get out my head now!! Seriously, are you sitting next to me cos you sure as hell pretty much said what's rattling around up there now! :) Thanks to those that have shared/posted. I have to do some serious thinking.
How stable is job B? Have they been around close to as long as job A? Do they have a good reputation? Will fun-loving but not as reliable Boss A figure you to be steady and drop the burden of responsibility on you? I think you have to consider those questions as well.
 
Mar 12, 2010
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I've had a couple bosses who could not be bothered to see the whole picture yet they wanted things done their way. I've always stuck it out until the last straw... which is NOT a good idea. When the last straw is played, words are said that cannot be taken back. Take the new job and make up a good reason as to why you're leaving the old job that doesn't reflect poorly upon your current boss or the company. You may want to return later.
 

Tim D.

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Jan 15, 2013
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I've spent my share of time working for idiots whose only care was making sure the rest of us did what we were told, whether it was right or wrong. For a long time I tried to toe the company line, thinking that it made me a good employee, or a loyal employee. But in the end these situations really just cause undue stress, destroys the morale of the workers and makes the workplace unbearable. I also know that its hard to leave a place that you've been at a long time because its familiar and its a scary thing to upset the status quo and go into the unknown. But I also know from personal experience that staying in a place where you are no longer happy is no good. Sometimes you just gotta say "screw it" and move on. Ultimately, its none of my business and you'll have to decide what is best for you and your family, but I thought I'd throw in my two cents as a former disgruntled employee.