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Dracula by Bram Stoker

Discussion in 'Novels by Other Authors' started by Connor B, Jan 28, 2016.

  1. Gerald

    Gerald Well-Known Member

    Didn't he admire the British culture in general? If there's a reason mentioned, it's probably in the talks he has with Harker early in the book. I'd have to look at that again to know if such a thing was mentioned.

    EDIT: according to this it isn't specifically mentioned, but London at the time was pretty much seen as the capitol of the world (by the writer at least):

    What were Dracula’s true motives in going to England? - Science Fiction & Fantasy Stack Exchange

    As mentioned in the first fragment, there are millions of victims for him there. It was probably hard for him by this time to find enough in his homeland.
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  2. Gerald

    Gerald Well-Known Member

    You could also assume Dracula would go more unnoticed in London. In his homecountry the peasants and townfolk all seem to know about him and where he lives - as evidenced by the innkeeper. Superstition and fear keeps them away from the castle, but at a certain point they may have had enough of the killings and take up the pitchforks to confront him.
    As you see in the Coppola film he walks rather carefree and casually through the streets of London, very at ease. (He even tips his hat to everybody so unworried is he.) With all the crime of a big city his victims will not be noticed so much.

    Actually isn't that first chapter one of the best chapters ever in a horrornovel on folklore and superstition?
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  3. Dynamo

    Dynamo Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I can't remember if it's mentioned in the book but in the film he seems interested in modern society and technology.

    I'm guessing immorality could get boring, even more so if you're just locked away in a castle out in the boondocks. After a few hundred years I might decide to relocate and expand. And as has been said, London (especially at the time) would be like a buffet for a vampire.
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  4. Gerald

    Gerald Well-Known Member

    He is still vulnerable at day also. It's just that the people of Transylvania don't seem to know this. If the peasants somehow found out, all they had to do is go there in the daytime and just stake him.
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  5. Gerald

    Gerald Well-Known Member

    I looked back in the book and it says Dracula has a collection of British books in his library, it is through the books that he learned to love Britain - he says he can't wait to walk the streets of London. It's somewhat contradictory though that he bought the books when he had already decided to go there. I heard once though, from some horror-expert (can't remember who, but someone like Christopher Frayling perhaps) that there are many inconsistencies in the novel, because Stoker didn't write it in one go - he started, put it down for a while, continued, put it down again etc.
    It is also very important to Dracula to get the exact pronunciation of English right, so the British won't see him as a stranger. This is very different in the films, starting with Lugosi, where Dracula often has a strong Eastern-European accent.
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  6. hossenpepper

    hossenpepper Don't worry. I have a permit!!!

    You all know how you can tell if Dracula is sick?

    By his "coffin" :)
  7. Spideyman

    Spideyman Uber Member

  8. RichardX

    RichardX Well-Known Member

    Dracula would have been living in Translyvania for centuries at that point. If there was any real risk from the locals, I assume they would have long since acted upon it before his decision to move to England. In vampire-world it could be assumed that he would have a mafia-like system/understanding for his own protection among the locals. He would also have strong historical ties to that region. The move to England doesn't quite add up as part of the plot. The real reason is likely more pragmatic in that Stoker would have been more comfortable writing and his readers more interested in reading a story set in an area that they were familiar with. In the movies, or at least maybe the Coppola version, they sometimes try to make Mina a ringer for the Count's dead wife but of course he would not known that until he encounters Harker after his decision has been made to move.
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  9. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    Harker was not the first solicitor to go to Dracula's castle. Renfield was the first one and what he saw there drove him insane, which is why he's at the asylum. I believe Dracula wanted to move to England because the feeding ground would be plentiful. Maybe he was just tired of living in the same house for centuries. I'm sure it needed updating. Heck, he was tired of the local cuisine.....;-D
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  10. RichardX

    RichardX Well-Known Member

    I thought Renfield was just a patient at the asylum with no prior connection to Dracula but I haven't read the book in a while. The point would still stand, however, that Dracula would have no prior knowledge of Mina until he mets Harker and he only does that after deciding to make the move. So it's hard to square how she could have been the motivation. I think the Mina angle is only raised in the movie as a sort of coincidence of events/fate and not in the book. But sometimes it is hard to keep it all straight.
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  11. staropeace

    staropeace Richard Bachman's love child

    I do not think Renfield was at Dracula's castle, Dan.
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  13. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    Ooops!! My mistake! You guys are correct- Renfield was never at the castle. Then what's the name of the solicitor who was there before Harker?
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    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...I remember the mention, but can't come up with the name...
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  15. RichardX

    RichardX Well-Known Member

    Didn't Renfield emerge from the hole of the ship that brought Dracula to England in the Lugosi movie? For the longest time, I thought the Renfield and Harker characters were one and the same because of that (unless I'm misremembering the movie). Renfield being the crazy version of Harker. And that would have made some narrative sense to explain Renfield's condition in being driven insane and his lust for blood after coming into contact with Dracula and his "sisters."
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