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Doc Creed

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Last year I posted about a topic which interests me: memory, and how it percolates through the brain. So much of what we call memory impacts our lives daily, even subconsciously, it would seem. Guilt, I believe, may impact us in similar ways. Please share thoughts or snippets from your life.

Years before I was even a thought in my father's mind, he was gunning his '65 Mustang up the interstate away from Miami Air Force Base and listening to his first wife complain about the heat and her hair slapping her face. He was afraid of turning on the air because the car was running hot. In the backseat the baby was crying and red in the face; no, she was bleating and screaming.
"Hush!" my father says, passing an oil tanker
"Don't yell at her! She's hot, too."
My father closes his eyes and bites his lip. " I'm sorry, but I just changed her thirty minutes ago and she ate not long before that. "
She pinches a hair from her tongue and wipes sweat from her forehead with a towel. "I know you are stressed out about where we are going to live but we need to stop."
He refused and at a rest area an hour later, the baby still crying and face wrinkled red, he unsnaps her onesie and removes the safety pin and cloth diaper. Two pricks of blood appear on the purple blotch of her chubby side. My father gasps and looks at the bloody pin. He wipes his eyes and cradles her to his chest like a lamb as her sobs subside. His eyes burn again and stomach rolls like a wobbly melon. He wants to hurt himself. Burn himself. Shove that pin in his eye.
He holds her a long time and watches his wife approach across the steaming parking lot with two Cokes. How long until he tells her?
 
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Notaro

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I'm Irish and catholic, guilt is in our culture, I've had guilt beaten into me by the Christian Brothers of Synge Street school and then be made to apologise for having them beat me. It's in our psyche, took my well into my adult years before I could throw if off and live a normal life.
 

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I'm Irish and catholic, guilt is in our culture, I've had guilt beaten into me by the Christian Brothers of Synge Street school and then be made to apologise for having them beat me. It's in our psyche, took my well into my adult years before I could throw if off and live a normal life.
LOL...I think guilt can be a good thing, too. It is an indication we have done something wrong. Guilt for cheating on a girl friend, guilt for taking something that isn't ours, for many things. Sociopaths are said to never experience guilt or remorse. I think I'd rather feel guilt as long as it is isn't something another person is trying to put on me.
 

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Damn. WordSmith you have done it yet again.

............your poor dad went through EXACTLY what my greatgran once did. Children are remarkably resilient, and far more forgiving (at any age) than adults know how to be.

oh and Notaro, my friend.I DO understand your post in the most heartfelt ways.

GUILT?

THAT no longer exists for me.

Once you have walked the narrowest, most perilous, most difficult and most sorrowful path. Obediently and unquestioningly....then and ONLY THEN are you entitled to walk: The widest, easiest most pleasant and joyful path of FREEDOM.

I'm walking that path now. I bought and paid for my Stairway to Heaven with the money of, sweat, humility and painfully shouldered humiliation, and with alms as well. And with my BLOOD. LITERALLY.
That's all I'm going to say in this particular "nutshell".

......oh, sorry for that outburst. But it just had to come out. You got a gift for evoking great STRONG emotional response to your wonderfully challenging queries and observations,Doc Creed.
Always be proud your work, Maestro.
 

wolfphoenix

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LOL...I think guilt can be a good thing, too. It is an indication we have done something wrong. Guilt for cheating on a girl friend, guilt for taking something that isn't ours, for many things. Sociopaths are said to never experience guilt or remorse. I think I'd rather feel guilt as long as it is isn't something another person is trying to put on me.
I see no Sociopaths here.
Yet. :)
 

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Guilt does have a place. Like Doc said, but I grew up with a Jewish mother, so.... That aside, one time many tears ago when grocery shopping with my then toddler son he began screaming in the child part of the shopping trolley. I just ran around the aisles to get out as quick as possible. When we got to a checkout it turns out a bottle of bleach had opened up and was burning his leg. The supermarket staff was amazing and fortunately he wasn't seriously hurt. I'm not even sure how he got hold of the bleach, but I felt awful for ages.
 

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Damn. WordSmith you have done it yet again.

............your poor dad went through EXACTLY what my greatgran once did. Children are remarkably resilient, and far more forgiving (at any age) than adults know how to be.

oh and Notaro, my friend.I DO understand your post in the most heartfelt ways.

GUILT?

THAT no longer exists for me.

Once you have walked the narrowest, most perilous, most difficult and most sorrowful path. Obediently and unquestioningly....then and ONLY THEN are you entitled to walk: The widest, easiest most pleasant and joyful path of FREEDOM.

I'm walking that path now. I bought and paid for my Stairway to Heaven with the money of, sweat, humility and painfully shouldered humiliation, and with alms as well. And with my BLOOD. LITERALLY.
That's all I'm going to say in this particular "nutshell".

......oh, sorry for that outburst. But it just had to come out. You got a gift for evoking great STRONG emotional response to your wonderfully challenging queries and observations,Doc Creed.
Always be proud your work, Maestro.
Bless you, friend. That's great to hear. My intention wasn't to poke a sleeping tiger; this thread isn't about religion (although I'm not excluding it, obviously), I just thought it made an interesting topic. We all like to display our best qualities, but I think revealing one's less flattering side can humanize us and make us more relatable. The idea for this thread came from reading the genius of Eudora Welty. Last night I was moved by how guilty one of her character's felt. Makes a mind ponder. ;)
 
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Guilt does have a place. Like Doc said, but I grew up with a Jewish mother, so.... That aside, one time many tears ago when grocery shopping with my then toddler son he began screaming in the child part of the shopping trolley. I just ran around the aisles to get out as quick as possible. When we got to a checkout it turns out a bottle of bleach had opened up and was burning his leg. The supermarket staff was amazing and fortunately he wasn't seriously hurt. I'm not even sure how he got hold of the bleach, but I felt awful for ages.
Wow, similar to what my dad felt. Thank you for sharing it here.
 

wolfphoenix

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Guilt does have a place. Like Doc said, but I grew up with a Jewish mother, so.... That aside, one time many tears ago when grocery shopping with my then toddler son he began screaming in the child part of the shopping trolley. I just ran around the aisles to get out as quick as possible. When we got to a checkout it turns out a bottle of bleach had opened up and was burning his leg. The supermarket staff was amazing and fortunately he wasn't seriously hurt. I'm not even sure how he got hold of the bleach, but I felt awful for ages.
I have always liked how Robin Williams spoke of "Cringe worthy moments", in interviews.
Everyone has them. You deal with and learn from them and MOVE ON.
The man was a genius in so many ways.
 

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.....first example that came to mind, was years ago-I picked on a guy in my college days.....not typical stupid sarcasm, but homophobic slurs.....he was and is/remains a proudly gay man.....once my stupidity went into remission, and I broadened my horizons-I felt completely and horribly awful for my words, and until a few years ago-the boat anchor weight of that guilt pulled me down......fortunately, I was able to pull this man aside and confess my shame and apologized profusely for my idiocy....he kindly accepted the same and we have been fine since.....he was the bigger man in this deal and I learned a ton from the experience.....
 

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.....first example that came to mind, was years ago-I picked on a guy in my college days.....not typical stupid sarcasm, but homophobic slurs.....he was and is/remains a proudly gay man.....once my stupidity went into remission, and I broadened my horizons-I felt completely and horribly awful for my words, and until a few years ago-the boat anchor weight of that guilt pulled me down......fortunately, I was able to pull this man aside and confess my shame and apologized profusely for my idiocy....he kindly accepted the same and we have been fine since.....he was the bigger man in this deal and I learned a ton from the experience.....
You were a big man too, to right a wrong. That takes a lot of courage and integrity to admit that and to want to rectify it. Putting yourself out there. Good for you. I'm proud of you.
 

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No, I think I killed it when I titled it 'guilt'. :biggrin2:
;)
yeah.....well, you know how it is......those who can't take the heat usually do get the heck out of the kitchen. lol :)
What else you got topically hot Doc????
It's a 108 F here with the heat index, a little more ain't gonna hurt nuthin'. ;)
lol, just kidding everybody. :)
 

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.....first example that came to mind, was years ago-I picked on a guy in my college days.....not typical stupid sarcasm, but homophobic slurs.....he was and is/remains a proudly gay man.....once my stupidity went into remission, and I broadened my horizons-I felt completely and horribly awful for my words, and until a few years ago-the boat anchor weight of that guilt pulled me down......fortunately, I was able to pull this man aside and confess my shame and apologized profusely for my idiocy....he kindly accepted the same and we have been fine since.....he was the bigger man in this deal and I learned a ton from the experience.....
I think we all can relate to being on both sides. We don't always get the opportunity to make it right. Good on you for humbling yourself to bridge that gap. Takes a real man to do that. You could have just as easily shrugged it off and said, "Meh" , but you didn't. Thanks for posting.
 

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.....first example that came to mind, was years ago-I picked on a guy in my college days.....not typical stupid sarcasm, but homophobic slurs.....he was and is/remains a proudly gay man.....once my stupidity went into remission, and I broadened my horizons-I felt completely and horribly awful for my words, and until a few years ago-the boat anchor weight of that guilt pulled me down......fortunately, I was able to pull this man aside and confess my shame and apologized profusely for my idiocy....he kindly accepted the same and we have been fine since.....he was the bigger man in this deal and I learned a ton from the experience.....
That is a beautiful story Gentle. I think A LOT of people have seen times like that. The older we get the smarter we get and SEE better as well as learn more and better. I think.
 

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Hey there. Just joined the SKMB a few minutes ago so this is entirely new. Anyway, a few years ago, I got into a brutal fight with my twin brother. In the heat of it, he grabbed a hammer and smashed my Ulna (forearm bone). Keep in mind, we were only teenagers at the time. I actually think the guilt he felt after was a good thing for our relationship. Up until that point we had never gotten a long, our mother used to say we were enemies since birth, but then after, he started treating me more nicely and we finally started to get along. Bottom line: sometimes the guilt of something terrible can be good.
 

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Hey there. Just joined the SKMB a few minutes ago so this is entirely new. Anyway, a few years ago, I got into a brutal fight with my twin brother. In the heat of it, he grabbed a hammer and smashed my Ulna (forearm bone). Keep in mind, we were only teenagers at the time. I actually think the guilt he felt after was a good thing for our relationship. Up until that point we had never gotten a long, our mother used to say we were enemies since birth, but then after, he started treating me more nicely and we finally started to get along. Bottom line: sometimes the guilt of something terrible can be good.
Welcome!