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Henry Bowers gay?

Discussion in 'IT' started by raggedyman79, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. raggedyman79

    raggedyman79 Well-Known Member

    I always wondered if that was part of the reason for his self-hatred. It certainly was implied in the scene with Patrick Hockstetter. As a gay man myself (but not self-hating, heh), it occurred to me that might be the case. Thoughts?
     
  2. Bryan James

    Bryan James Well-Known Member

    Keep it secret. Keep it safe.
     
  3. AnnaMarie

    AnnaMarie Well-Known Member

    I completely agree. I always assumed he was gay and hated that about himself. And when a person spends their entire life hating something about themself they are going to be mean and nasty to everyone.
     
  4. GNTLGNT

    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

  5. I didn't pick up on that all... not that I doubt it, I just didn't pick up on it.
     
  6. carrie's younger brother

    carrie's younger brother Well-Known Member

    Yes, I too always thought that Henry Bowers was gay. Unfortunately, he's just one in a string of negative gay male characters SK has written. He's been better as of late though.
     
  7. I cannot tell if someone I meet is gay or straight... probably either because it's not something that's on my mind or because it doesn't really matter to me. Maybe SK based Henry Bowers on someone he knew without knowing (or caring) if the guy was gay or straight.
     
  8. not_nadine

    not_nadine Comfortably Roont

    Splain, please ..
     
  9. carrie's younger brother

    carrie's younger brother Well-Known Member

    I know my argument will look week because I don't have any concrete examples to give you right now, but much of SK's early writing is populated with peripheral male characters who are either questionably gay or outright gay and the way he writes them is not very nice. They are usually perverts, weak or criminals. Also, words like "f****t" are liberally used in his earlier writings. All I know is that having read SK since pretty much the beginning, there are many times as a gay male I had to cringe at the way he wrote gay males. I will try to find some definite examples, but you'll have to give me time.
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2014
  10. GNTLGNT

    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    -Bill McGovern in Insomnia
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    Uncle Tommy in The Talisman
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    Tom McCourt in Cell...to name but a few, and King seems to have been less harsh and more supportive of lesbian characters in his writings...possibly due to his daughter being gay?...kinda curious if he will incorporate a transgender/transsexual in any way, shape or form as a lead character...
     
  11. carrie's younger brother

    carrie's younger brother Well-Known Member

    Thanks GNT. It's been my personal experience (and it no way am I saying this is a universal truth) that straight men are more comfortable with lesbians since they pose no "threat" to them.

    And just to be clear, SK has written favorable gay male characters. Again, it's just been my personal experience that much of his earlier writing was peppered with negative gay stereotypes and derogatory language towards gays. I'm still with SK almost 40 years after I first read him, so obviously I am able to distance myself from it.
     
  12. LOL, I don't think the idea of lesbians posing a threat even occurs to most men. I will never understand why straight men are turned on by girl on girl action :)
     
  13. Walter Oobleck

    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    I think arguing that Henry is gay based on the evidence in the book is like arguing that President Obama is a Republican because he was recently voted/found/polled fiscally responsible. I think Henry's self-hatred lies in the analogy of the branch...as it is bent so shall it grow. Some places are colder than others.
     
  14. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    As you may know, we share the same sexual preference. I also used to feel like you did/are, but at least 15 years ago I realized that King uses his writings as a mirror to reflect on our society. When he wrote those earlier books he was using them to reflect what our society's morals/mindset were. Gay folk were not looked upon very positively or compassionately 'back in the day'. I honestly don't think that King has any type of maliciousness in him that is directed towards gays or lesbians, etc. Maybe he did 'back in the day', and if he did it was because of where/when he grew up but I think, if he ever did, he has become more mature and open minded and worldly in the last 20 years.
     
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  15. HollyGolightly

    HollyGolightly Well-Known Member

    4 boobs are better than 2 boobs, that's all.

    I'm very much like you - I thought I was dating someone in college - we went everywhere together, had the best time, I thought he was just taking it slow. And then he kissed his boyfriend in front of me and introduced him. Classic. How'd I miss that?
     
  16. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    :lol: Sorry, not to make light of your pain you must have felt then, but this is funny! Do you still see him around town?
     
  17. HollyGolightly

    HollyGolightly Well-Known Member

    We were friends for a long time after that - he was very kind about my humiliation - it was only a couple weeks into my infatuation when I learned. But they moved away and I got married and had kids- it was about 25 years ago. It was funny - I thought I finally had a real gentleman - and I kind of did. Just in a different way. :love_heart:
     
  18. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    Have you tried looking him up on Facebook? Maybe you could rekindle a special friendship with him?
     
  19. carrie's younger brother

    carrie's younger brother Well-Known Member

    I respect that and of course my rational mind knows "he was using [the negative gay characters] to reflect what our society's morals/mindset were" but Anne Rice started publishing around the same time as SK and while many of her gay male characters are bloodsucking, murdering vampires, at least they are portrayed affectionately. :rolleyes:
     
  20. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    This is true. When Anne wrote Interview With The Vampire she had been living in the San Fransisco area for quite some time, thus being exposed to the gay counter-culture that was prospering there at that time. She was also trying to shed the 'shackles' of her religious upbringing. She has always been a rebel in life. She has had a very different background than King has had. She also has a gay son, Christopher, who is a fine writer in his own regard. I don't think she could have written as many of the vampire novels as she has without portraying them affectionately.
     

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