How Many Writers At This Party?

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bigkingfan91

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I have a question for you all, and it's going to sound completely idiotic I'm sure, but I feel at home here and feel like I can talk to you all about this..

To make a long story short, I'm 22 and I quit school right around the time when I only had around a month left until graduation. I was having trouble with my "senior project" which is required to complete for graduation, and it just overwhelmed me to the point where I just gave up. I was young, dumb, some of my friends had dropped out, and I decided to join them. A mistake I've regretted ever since, but I had no interest in writing at the time, or really any "job" that would require more schooling. This will be hard for many to understand but I live in the land of Coal, I had some connections through friends, and thought I'd just quit and start out a career with mining, like so many of my friends have done. Well, that didn't work out but I've had steady jobs ever since, good paying jobs that never led me to gain any interest in a GED or finishing school.

Now I always done really well in English classes, took some creative writing classes in school when I had the option of taking something else to goof off with friends. I read a lot, especially for my age, and if there is 1 quality that you need to have in order to write, that I DO have, it's the need to read a lot. I have a passion for reading like you wouldn't believe and it often consumes all of my free time, as crazy as that sounds.

It's obvious to me that without any additional schooling, there is a lot that I do not know or understand. NOT about "how to write a book" but more to do with styles of writing, language, even some of the more complicated details dealing with punctuation, etc. You know, the common basics of writing work that could fit into a book, and the more detailed complicated pieces of information on writing that most get from college courses, etc. I do read ALOT, but that may not matter. Every "professional writer" and "established" writer that I've ever heard of had plenty of school, perhaps taught school at one time, or took some kind of course in college. I've never heard of anyone who simply quit school and had success later on with writing, with basically a 12 1/2 grade education and a lot of read novels under their thumb.

I enjoy writing just for the fun of it, publication is just a bonus in my eyes, but eventually I'd like to get to the point where I at least submit some of the work, and give it a try. It seems like a roadblock for me though, and often times it is discouraging to think I'm wasting my time if I don't soon pursue a GED and then maybe some kind of extra courses..

Is college, and certain courses, pretty much a must have for anyone with dreams of future success? As you can see, I know how to spell, the simple things aren't as much of an issue as the more complicated details you learn through experience are. ..
 

Dana Jean

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Here are a few writers who DID NOT go to college:

Ray Bradbury
Mark Twain
Truman Capote
H.G. Wells
Jack London
Maya Angelou
Augusten Burroughs
Charles Dickens
Jack Kerouac
William Faulkner

So, no, if you have an innate talent for writing, college doesn't matter. But, if you are learning how to write, finding a mentor at the local newspaper, an English teacher at a school, a librarian or your grandma who knows how to tell a captivating tale -- surround yourself with creative people who dance with words. Taking extra classes would be great, and you don't HAVE to take a full load. Just take the classes you are interested in as a part-time non-degree seeking student. Yes, they probably cost more per credit hour, but you never know what kind of connections you can make in a classroom and the resources available to you can open doors.
 

skimom2

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DJ gives great advice. College certainly isn't a necessity. I think that as a writer, the biggest advantage that college gives you is the requirement that you write often, on many topics, and provides a person or people that should be skilled in constructive criticism. You can confer those advantages upon yourself; it just takes a little creativity. So write. Often. Get used to framing your opinions (because what is fiction but a position statement on some aspect of the human condition?) in language. If you have a strong opinion, argue the other side--gets you used to seeing through the perspective of someone who is not you, a necessity in writing a variety of characters. We talked about this in another thread, but I'll reiterate: read widely. Don't feel like you need to 'elevate' your language beyond your comfort level; it's better to use words that you thoroughly know and understand. At the same time that you're writing, you'll be reading and your vocabulary will increase and become richer over time. If you can, take a class or two to get the basics of grammar down. If that's impossible, there are guides out there to help you. A class helps with the 'person to provide constructive criticism', but perhaps you can find that in a writers' group. You should be comfortable with the group you choose, but without expectation that they will kiss your a**--if they do, it won't do you any good (this is why your mom, GF/ BF, bestie are great cheerleaders, but usually not good judges of the quality of your work). Desire can take you a lot of the way, BKF; you just need to take the steps to turn that desire into something concrete :) Best of luck, my friend--it's an absorbing ride, whether you publish or choose to keep your writing to yourself and enrich the lives those closest to you.
 
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VultureLvr45

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I have a question for you all, and it's going to sound completely idiotic I'm sure, but I feel at home here and feel like I can talk to you all about this..

To make a long story short, I'm 22 and I quit school right around the time when I only had around a month left until graduation.

Is college, and certain courses, pretty much a must have for anyone with dreams of future success?

***** Sweetheart, Why limit yourself?! Yes, you will need an education, these days especially, with more global competion, (and no wife or child to provide for yet), by all means YES!




Better than making a short story long.

College exposes you to wondrous social expansion and exercises the brain. For that alone, it's highly worth it. Plus just in case one doesn't actually make a career out of writing, it increases one's employability from a statistical standpoint.


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VultureLvr45

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Better than making a short story long.

College exposes you to wondrous social expansion and exercises the brain. For that alone, it's highly worth it. Plus just in case one doesn't actually make a career out of writing, it increases one's employability from a statistical standpoint.
College is the beginning of your adult life. You will learn about yourself and the world, see opportunities and connections that are intrinsically related, and grow in ways you can't even begin to imagine. Connect with your high school, suck it up and finish that project so you will get your degree. As someone suggested, taking a class or two is a great way to 'stick a toe' into the college world and see if you want to proceed.
 

blunthead

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Better than making a short story long.

College exposes you to wondrous social expansion and exercises the brain. For that alone, it's highly worth it. Plus just in case one doesn't actually make a career out of writing, it increases one's employability from a statistical standpoint.
It sounds to me like the O.P. has been jumping to conclusions about what college is and isn't. While reading his comments I couldn't help remembering the vast depths college presented to me and which I explored to as much of their fullest I could manage, and realizing what he would miss out on, pehaps, due to his assumptions. Of course, not everyone gains from school as others do, and not that they should. But you never assume anything.
 

Lily Sawyer

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It's obvious to me that without any additional schooling, there is a lot that I do not know or understand. NOT about "how to write a book" but more to do with styles of writing, language, even some of the more complicated details dealing with punctuation, etc. You know, the common basics of writing work that could fit into a book, and the more detailed complicated pieces of information on writing that most get from college courses, etc. I do read ALOT, but that may not matter. Every "professional writer" and "established" writer that I've ever heard of had plenty of school, perhaps taught school at one time, or took some kind of course in college. I've never heard of anyone who simply quit school and had success later on with writing, with basically a 12 1/2 grade education and a lot of read novels under their thumb.

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