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blunthead

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Well the prison break for one, the whole concept of tunneling through the wall, the involvement in the prison library, the beef with the warden, the gay guy coming on to him, the old guy with the pet , the concept of hope and how they can't get to your insides , a black guy, emptying the rocks from the wall in the yardand that's about all I can think of most of them are minor details but it was the thing about hope that really bothered me and in both movies the way Clint Eastwood and Tim Robbins emptied the rocks it was identical and it just bothered me I like both stories though especial how Andy dufrain just screws everybody over
What other way could inmates anywhere remove such debris? The first time I saw that was in The Great Escape, but it makes no one a plagiarist (if that is indeed your complaint). I haven't read Escape from Alcatraz, or Shawshank for that matter, so I can't speak to certain of the details you've listed on those terms. I've seen both movies, but don't remember Alcatraz much.

I don't agree that Andy Dufresne screws over anybody at all, not to mention "everybody", though that wouldn't necessarily bother me in a character, even if it were chronic. And, without the idea of hope in such a scenario all that would be left would be depression. Who wants art to equal depression?
 

champ1966

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What other way could inmates anywhere remove such debris? The first time I saw that was in The Great Escape, but it makes no one a plagiarist (if that is indeed your complaint). I haven't read Escape from Alcatraz, or Shawshank for that matter, so I can't speak to certain of the details you've listed on those terms. I've seen both movies, but don't remember Alcatraz much.

I don't agree that Andy Dufresne screws over anybody at all, not to mention "everybody", though that wouldn't necessarily bother me in a character, even if it were chronic. And, without the idea of hope in such a scenario all that would be left would be depression. Who wants art to equal depression?

He could have eaten the muck.
 

ElGuapo

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Seriously?

And "seriously" right back to you, Senora. I can tell by Megatron's profile picture that he is nothing if not a serious and learned fellow. If you can't give him the respect that he deserves, I demand that you erase my account and refund all the pesos I've spent on this recycled garbage - this Megatron has opened my eyes to the little "business" you and King have going on. I'm done! Eat my dust - I'm headed over to the Dan Brown site.
 

GNTLGNT

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I think the issue was more that he felt that it had too many similarities to Escape from Alcatraz (for him) but many of the issues he brought up are ones that can be found in any other prison story, too, e.g. prison rapes, issues with a warden, having a bird as a pet (Birdman from Alcatraz anyone?), a prisoner continuing to have hope, etc. The way they differ and fit into a story is what distinguishes one from another and personally I don't think the two are enough alike to warrant a claim Steve ripped off Escape from Alcatraz.
...and there's only so many ways an inmate can sneak stuff out into the yard, i.e. rocks in his pocket...and believe me, I've heard of some odd ways of conveying things...for instance, the guy that tried to sneak a box of frozen beef patties out of chow hall-concealed in his back brace....
 

doowopgirl

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Well the prison break for one, the whole concept of tunneling through the wall, the involvement in the prison library, the beef with the warden, the gay guy coming on to him, the old guy with the pet , the concept of hope and how they can't get to your insides , a black guy, emptying the rocks from the wall in the yardand that's about all I can think of most of them are minor details but it was the thing about hope that really bothered me and in both movies the way Clint Eastwood and Tim Robbins emptied the rocks it was identical and it just bothered me I like both stories though especial how Andy dufrain just screws everybody over
Then you'll have to include The Great Escape what with all the dirt emptying
 

blunthead

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And "seriously" right back to you, Senora. I can tell by Megatron's profile picture that he is nothing if not a serious and learned fellow. If you can't give him the respect that he deserves, I demand that you erase my account and refund all the pesos I've spent on this recycled garbage - this Megatron has opened my eyes to the little "business" you and King have going on. I'm done! Eat my dust - I'm headed over to the Dan Brown site.
Tell me you're kidding...El?