IT Chapter Two

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recitador

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Anywho, other than the gay bashing scene bothering some people in regards to chapter 2, I heard many complain about the length, some I know who complained about the length are football fans. I don't get how they can enjoy the film but complain about the length and then sit down and watch a game where they toss a ball around and scratch their nuts for three to four hours. But while I don't get it... that's their personal enjoyment so I accept it.. ;)
heathens i say :biggrin2:

give me 3 more hours of It the movie. hell give me 4
 

preciousroy

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There were films that did the gay thing properly back in the day but very few, it wasn't handled well until the 90's, and Buffy the tv series actually handled it the best in the 90's. These days its just the norm, almost every CW show has a gay couple and they just blend in with everyone else and the shows are pack full of diversity and I dig it. As for IT Chapter 2, haven't seen it yet but I heard the gay bashing scene is in it and I'm glad it is. Hate crimes have risen again lately in some countries and the US is one of them. There are some who actually say that racism no longer exists, and by some I mean US politicians. Homophobia and racism are alive and well and we cannot be complacent even if it means movies have to upset a few by making them feel these things are being shoved down their throats. We can't eradicate racism/homophobia/sexism but we can curb it to some degree.

Anywho, other than the gay bashing scene bothering some people in regards to chapter 2, I heard many complain about the length, some I know who complained about the length are football fans. I don't get how they can enjoy the film but complain about the length and then sit down and watch a game where they toss a ball around and scratch their nuts for three to four hours. But while I don't get it... that's their personal enjoyment so I accept it.. ;)

Thank you for your respectful response. I appreciate your opinion and don't have to agree with you, or feel obligated to. I think the moderator politely asked us all to cease this tangent even before you responded to my post, so I won't say what I would like to despite what you have passive-aggressively implied. Thank you for refraining from the ad hominem attacks, hyperbole and piecemeal rearrangement of my words. You are correct about the representation in film leading up to things like Buffy, people were already cool with all of that stuff 20+ years ago, at least. Before now. Thank you again for your respectful (for the most part) response. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that your passive-aggressive comments weren't directed at me. I hope you can accept my disagreement with as much composure and eloquence, and that you will allow me to take a different tangent in order to respond to what you have said.



Alice Bailey formed The Lucis Trust with her husband in the 1920's and wrote many books about her experiences channeling beings. She claimed she was in contact with beings who had ascended to higher levels of existence. They had been charged by the Triple Logos with the responsibility of protecting the human race and helping us all to evolve to a higher level of consciousness. These writings became the foundation for modern Theosophy.



The beings told her that everyone had to be in agreement and all of the human race had to desire to accept the evolution before it would be allowed to occur. Not to worry, other beings had also been sent to see to it that all of those humans that didn't want the evolution would be met with death for their resistance to change. But in a loving way (no sh*t.) I've heard this estimated at anywhere from 25-90% of the human population. The population of Earth is estimated to be 7.7 billion people. All those people across the face of the planet would have to be lovingly murdered as a prerequisite so that the remaining few can evolve to a higher level of consciousness afterward. Would you be willing to accept the death of billions of people so that the remaining population could evolve to a higher level of consciousness? What kind of logic do you think blossoms into an idea like that?



Curiously, many still follow her teachings and venerate her today.



I learned about this in a documentary exposing a popular conspiracy theorist as one of her followers in disguise, who also perpetuates and teaches this idea of ascending to higher levels of consciousness at the cost of billions of people's lives. I haven't watched it in many years but I will provide the link in case you care to verify for yourself. I believe he has taken measures to distance himself from this discrediting.




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I believe it also states in the documentary that Bailey's writings on Atlantis led to (or at least partially influenced) Adolf Hitler's belief that he could resurrect what has been referred to by Theosophists as the 5th root race. The blond-haired, blue-eyed supermen he believed lived under the crust of the Earth. We all know what that led to...



She also believed in and promised the eradication of hate, racism and sexism, too.



As for IT Chapter 2, I'm glad the scene with
Adrian
was included because it was loyal to the book. I'd love to see the
shootout with the Bradley Gang and to see Dick Hallorann saving everybody at The Black Spot. I've also always been curious to see what those macaroni leeches in the abandoned fridge actually look like.



I think IT could be made into a mature animation. That adaptation could be loyal to the book and show the characters, settings and events accurately and take as many hours as necessary. It would never make it past the censors. There was a video floating around YouTube of IT in an anime style (just the opening scene with Georgie, not full length unfortunately) but I would prefer a non-anime style.
 
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or, and hang with me here, it could be they include characters of these stripes because thanks to the diverse nature of society, especially these days, having the whole bunch of characters be white and straight doesn't really reflect reality that much. i like how people love focusing on these characters as if it's somehow a bad thing for them to exist, given the glut of entertainment media that showcases white and straight. which is not an attack on white straight people before someone gets their knickers twisted. as for why not in the past, well, we can't exactly go back and change it, can we? the entertainment industry couldn't just overcome the attitudes in america regarding homosexuality overnight. they were operating in the same atmosphere that forced the majority of gay people to be in the closet for fear of retribution. you can choose to be cynical about it, and you can choose to view the very existence of a homosexual character as a negative (despite the look it presents), personally, i'll just be grateful that we've made enough progress that gay characters can just be in a movie/tv show without much fanfare outside of certain troglodyte hangouts on the internet.
I think it depends on the reasons why and if it authentic. for example, I like how they did Richie being gay and having a crush on eddie, that is 100% possible and
decent, and adds to the story. If they just had Richie gay just to be gay then I would go like no. for example if Ritchie came to the dinner at the oriental jade and was like I am gay, and I was in the closet for like 15 years blah blah blah, and my husband blah blah blah, and that's it then no I don't like that at all , but the fact that he was gay and had a crush on Eddie and that added to the story espcallily when eddie ended up being killed by penny-wise and how Richie reacted to it. that was good and was a good addition to the story. It is kind of like when comic books switch gender just to switch gender and it makes no sense or the story is dumb. it has to be how they do it and if it makes scense to do it. Like the new doctor who being a women. I have not seen it but I don't hate that she is a women and it makes scense that an alien who takes the form of what ever human body it regernerates into is o.k. but if it was lets say in a tv show like the conors and like if dan got a sex change operation that whould be weird and silly.
 

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My biggest issue with the film was the changes they made to Bill's character in this movie. I don't think making it that he "faked" being sick added anything. Personally I think it ruined his character to be honest. I also think that Georgie should have had a bigger presence in the movie. He was the main reason why Bill wanted to fight IT to begin with.
 

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Noticed the link about David Icke. He's the nutter who believes the world is run by reptilian alien shapeshifters. He also once claimed he was Jesus Incarnate. Enough said about him! As for IT: Chapter Two. Oh man, I wasn't crazy about a lot of things, but in retrospect I was well pleased with it since I was entertained. And that's what matters...being entertained. I had no problems with the Eddie/Richie thing. Although I felt it was unnecessary and an odd choice. As a whole, the two new IT movies are quite good but they will never match the original miniseries which felt more like the book and had the real sence of dread that's neeeded. The two new movies were not that scary, and were also a bit too hip and modern for my taste. Like trying too hard to attract the younger generations and, hence, throw in some weird "funny" moments that made me scratch my head. I did, however, love King's cameo as the shopkeeper. When I need my IT-fix, I'll go back and enjoy the wonderful novel and pretty solid miniseries from 1990.
 

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Noticed the link about David Icke. He's the nutter who believes the world is run by reptilian alien shapeshifters. He also once claimed he was Jesus Incarnate. Enough said about him! As for IT: Chapter Two. Oh man, I wasn't crazy about a lot of things, but in retrospect I was well pleased with it since I was entertained. And that's what matters...being entertained. I had no problems with the Eddie/Richie thing. Although I felt it was unnecessary and an odd choice. As a whole, the two new IT movies are quite good but they will never match the original miniseries which felt more like the book and had the real sence of dread that's neeeded. The two new movies were not that scary, and were also a bit too hip and modern for my taste. Like trying too hard to attract the younger generations and, hence, throw in some weird "funny" moments that made me scratch my head. I did, however, love King's cameo as the shopkeeper. When I need my IT-fix, I'll go back and enjoy the wonderful novel and pretty solid miniseries from 1990.
I agree with everything you said, though I believe you missed the reason I posted the documentary being Alice Bailey, who influenced Icke and Hitler. Who cemented the first religion fully recognized by the UN. Who influenced the Jewish Holocaust due to her New Age fantasies. My point was people have been saying pretty things about peace and equality since the early 1900's who condoned and supported the death of millions (now billions) of people to reach their goal. Theosophy is now rearing it's ugly head once more with a face lift called "New Age". Forewarned is forearmed.
 

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I agree with everything you said, though I believe you missed the reason I posted the documentary being Alice Bailey, who influenced Icke and Hitler. Who cemented the first religion fully recognized by the UN. Who influenced the Jewish Holocaust due to her New Age fantasies. My point was people have been saying pretty things about peace and equality since the early 1900's who condoned and supported the death of millions (now billions) of people to reach their goal. Theosophy is now rearing it's ugly head once more with a face lift called "New Age". Forewarned is forearmed.
So, what did you think of IT?
 

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Do you mean Tim Curry’s version showing up? That would be a bit hard to write in, unless he just made a cameo. How exactly would you say that would work?
he was in the first it chapter in the clown room that I think Ritchie/ goes into and also in the fun house sceen when bill trys to capture the kid and the swinging clown things that he has to go through are tim currys version of pennywise so he is in their someplace
 

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I agree with everything you said, though I believe you missed the reason I posted the documentary being Alice Bailey, who influenced Icke and Hitler. Who cemented the first religion fully recognized by the UN. Who influenced the Jewish Holocaust due to her New Age fantasies. My point was people have been saying pretty things about peace and equality since the early 1900's who condoned and supported the death of millions (now billions) of people to reach their goal. Theosophy is now rearing it's ugly head once more with a face lift called "New Age". Forewarned is forearmed.
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preciousroy

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So, what did you think of IT?
I thought it was good, not great. I liked James McAvoy, James Ransone and Bill Hader, though I don't feel McAvoy brought anything special to his character. I was fooled for a moment into believeing that miniseries Ben Hanscom had been recast, and then felt silly for falling for it. I thought Pennywise's scenes were sort of samey and there was all too much focus on biting heads off. The scene near the end with Beverly and Ben struggling to reach each other was too reminiscient of an A Nightmare On Elm Street dream sequence for me. I can't remember who, but someone falls straight into water and we get a shot from under the surface looking back up at a pinhole of light and I'm pretty sure they lifted that straight from the first Nightmare where Nancy falls through the bathtub but I'm willing to believe it was just homage because both films were New Line Cinema films. The usual addition of information not in the book was the usual minor annoyance. Like some others have mentioned, I prefer the miniseries, though as I've stated in other threads I believe it might be because it was my first IT, even before reading the book.
 

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The scene near the end with Beverly and Ben struggling to reach each other was too reminiscent of an A Nightmare On Elm Street dream sequence for me
There are several scenes in both chapters that pay homage to Elm Street, which makes sense since New Line is the House That Freddy Built as many say. In one scene in the second chapter they have a certain character wearing the same shirt as Jesse in Elm Street 2, there's something the two have in common so you can guess which character. I read an interview somewhere that at one point they wanted one of the monsters Pennywise became to have been Freddy but it was scrapped. For the best, while I was down with all moments they paid homage to Elm Street, I think having Freddy in the film outright would have been overkill.

I also think King directly or indirectly got some ideas for IT from the first Elm Street but that's just a theory.
 
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There are several scenes in both chapters that pay homage to Elm Street, which makes sense since New Line is the House That Freddy Built as many say. In one scene in the second chapter they have a certain character wearing the same shirt as Jesse in Elm Street 2, there's something the two have in common so you can guess which character. I read an interview somewhere that at one point they wanted one of the monsters Pennywise became to have been Freddy but it was scrapped. For the best, while I was down with all moments they paid homage to Elm Street, I think having Freddy in the film outright would have been overkill.

I also think King directly or indirectly got some ideas for IT from the first Elm Street but that's just a theory.
I also figured it was because they were all New Line Cinema films but I guess I wasn't paying attention quite as well for the first chapter. I didn't even notice! lol. I also missed Jesse's shirt but that is pretty cool. I really disliked Nightmare 2 when I was a kid because I had seen the movies all out of order and didn't know at the time that Wes Craven never intended for his villain to become Bugs Bunny Krueger. It felt all wrong and it looked ugly and old in ways the previous movie hadn't. But now it's one of my favorite Nightmares. Wes Craven made Nightmare 3 and he's the authority, but I liked the direction 2 had begun to take with Freddy. I've even searched out the song playing when Jesse is cleaning his room. It's funny that, to this day, the people that made that movie still claim they didn't pick up on any of the undertones about Jesse's sexuality that they had put into it.

I also hadn't heard that theory about Nightmare being inspiration for IT but that's pretty interesting. I've noticed a lot of the original works I've enjoyed borrowed heavily from things that came before them. It's very demystifying. Beforehand, it seems like the work is a completely original production and it gains so many points for seeming to stand alone. Then it turns out to be an amalgamation of the elements of previously successful works by others, seen as inspiration.

I think they could have left the Nightmare stuff out of IT though. I love both but it seems like an overexcited decision to have incuded so many references to Nightmare. There was a scene I noticed in Dr. Sleep where the set was a complete recreation of the set from a scene in The Shining and that worked a lot better for me. I agree about Pennywise turning into Freddy, that would have been too much.
 
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