Ka-Tet Cantina

Moderator · Feb 5, 2020

Edward John said:
Well obviously that isn't accurate. But I mean the historical setting of the period, the revolt against King George.

Probably true but I'm not reading it for the history lesson and since it's fiction, I expect that the author will be taking some liberties. I do admit that I'd thought she done her research into the major events of the time but as I say, not too bothered by it if it's off. If I want to explore more about the history, there are plenty of non-fiction books for that.

Moderator · Feb 5, 2020

Edward John said:
I'm surprised at that. I never thought Steve was into the whole romance thing, then again ... Misery Chastain.

There's more to it than a "romance novel" but then, you'd know that if you'd read them.

Moderator · Feb 5, 2020

Edward John said:
If I could travel back in time, I'd make sure the Jacobites won and my country was free again.

One of the books in the series is about the main characters trying to do just that but history wasn't receptive to the idea and their efforts were in vain.

You've still got the opportunity now but through your election process.

Edward John · Feb 5, 2020

Moderator said:
Probably true but I'm not reading it for the history lesson and since it's fiction, I expect that the author will be taking some liberties. I do admit that I'd thought she done her research into the major events of the time but as I say, not too bothered by it if it's off. If I want to explore more about the history, there are plenty of non-fiction books for that.

I've read most of the texts on this revolt, some of them are brilliant, they read like modern fiction adventures. I don't mind when they take liberties, but the problem with that is that some will accept false information as fact, take the depiction of Prince Charles after the Battle of Prestonpans, in Outlander, Charles tells his troops to save the redcoats only, which isn't true. In the actual Battle of Prestonpans, Charles told his men to treat the redcoats equally to the highlanders. There is a big difference and it hurts the reputation of the man if false information is treated as fact.

Moderator · Feb 5, 2020

Edward John said:
I've read most of the texts on this revolt, some of them are brilliant, they read like modern fiction adventures. I don't mind when they take liberties, but the problem with that is that some will accept false information as fact, take the depiction of Prince Charles after the Battle of Prestonpans, in Outlander, Charles tells his troops to save the redcoats only, which isn't true. In the actual Battle of Prestonpans, Charles told his men to treat the redcoats equally to the highlanders. There is a big difference and it hurts the reputation of the man if false information is treated as fact.

I get what you're saying but even non-fiction books that claim to be reporting the "facts" get it wrong especially if they're written from a perspective that is biased toward a certain outcome. I believe the term is revisionist history.

Edward John · Feb 5, 2020

Moderator said:
One of the books in the series is about the main characters trying to do just that but history wasn't receptive to the idea and their efforts were in vain.

You've still got the opportunity now but through your election process.

I like that idea, kinda reminds me of Timecop. But in that you can actually change events.
We had a referendum in 2014, the nation voted no, but I can find videos online where there is obvious voter tampering. Proof of this is enough to call another election, but unsurprisingly the videos have been mysteriously taken down. The Prime Minister just said that Scotland isn't allowed another referendum, because it was made clear that it was a once in a lifetime opportunity. They don't talk about the fact that Scots were promised membership of the EU if they voted no, which has obviously, and hilariously, been proven wrong, as England voted to leave.

This map, of the voter make-up of the Brexit Referendum demonstrates just how far apart Scotland and England are politically.

Edward John · Feb 5, 2020

Moderator said:
I get what you're saying but even non-fiction books that claim to be reporting the "facts" get it wrong especially if they're written from a perspective that is biased toward a certain outcome. I believe the term is revisionist history.

Yep, that's exactly it, revisionist history. The amount of revisionist history that has gone on about the Jacobite revolts are hilariously present. Mainly because the issues that that war was fought over, namely the union between Scotland and England, are still relevant today.

Edward John · Feb 5, 2020

So, Steve just said that he liked the Amazon series HANNA ... this man has weird taste!

GNTLGNT · Feb 5, 2020

Moderator said:
Whaaaaatt??? You mean Scotland doesn't really have standing stones that will transport time travelers back/forth 200 years in time?! Shocked, I tell you. Shocked.