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Musings on 'IT' ***Spoilers***

Discussion in 'IT' started by Echo Looper, May 5, 2014.

  1. Echo Looper

    Echo Looper Well-Known Member

    No real direct plot spoilers here but I wouldn't read the following if you haven't read "IT" yet. I'd rather you discover your own interpretations of the Novel first:

    I’ve just finished this "monstrous", epic book IT and I’m left with that heavy, somber, yet beautiful feeling of nostalgia... and a yearning we sometimes get looking back over the passage of time.

    Mostly I remember my own childhood and the freedom in riding my bike hard and fast down the street with that unexplained exhilaration and fearlessness. Skinned knees- pocket change for candy- hide & seek- ghost in the graveyard games. I remember the "underground" universe that only kids could know of. Adults were like these disconnected Giants looming in the background. Playing outside in Mother Nature was second nature. Perhaps the kids of today with all their distractions and technology don’t have this calling to the outside world, perhaps they do, who am I to know? I’m all grown up. Perhaps they throw those same emotions into computers & the worlds inside the machines. We lived in the summer sun.

    The general push I"m sensing from IT is to face your fears, believe in something good like friendship and love, and don’t ignore the darkness but face IT, and then drive it away. For it exists with the light all the same. And to me, the "deadlights" is the dark matter between the galaxies. That nothingness, that blackness- it's there and it's pure and it makes us fear. Our minds can barely fathom this so we associate it with evil. But really we can imagine anything we choose to. We could picture a wise, ancient Turtle who was made by the "Other"...the force, the God, the light, the wheel, the circle, whatever you want to call it. I have no problems with these ending scenes with the Losers facing off with IT - Biting the tongue, the Ritual of Chud. I get it. Is it a bit abstract, yes. Is it effective though?....for me- hell yes. I love a good challenge just as much as a good scare. I loved taking that psychedelic journey inside the mind of that horrible spider, the darkness, the IT. Its pure human fear which if we can somehow face and get a look behind the curtain of that spider, hold on enough to our sanity to ride past her, you might see a more benevolent truth behind it all. There is something bigger, something good, something beautiful that binds us. At least, this is just a glimpse of what the author may ultimately believe....or not. I think so though.

    The infamous sex scene however, was just OK for me. Clearly others see that scene as odd or out of place and some see it as downright wrong. I just take it as a slightly superfluous weak spot in an otherwise otherworldly musing about life, childhood, and growing up. (I did appreciate the imagery of birds...the physical act emoting these freeing, flying pictures in Bev's mind) It was trying to be delicate, I get it. This particular bridge between childhood and adulthood...just missed the mark for me.

    I also think the book could have been cut down just a touch especially in those old Derry histories written by Mike. (I know this is blasphemy to some that love those scenes) For me, some of that stalled the galloping plot a tad. But honestly this is the GREATEST BOOK I've ever read so I can't really nitpick too much here now can I!?

    IT also conjured up a vibrant landscape of imagery and color for me...clearly I see lots of red from Bev (and her Dad) and Bill's red hair. There is the red halloween (clown) makeup and the red crimson of blood, but I also see the red stripes on candy canes or on the old school barber shops of my own small town. I see a silver clown suit (which reminds me of The Smashing Pumpkins video for the song "Rocket") I see the grays and odd yellows of the thunder clouds over the green summer lush of the Barrens. I see Bangor Maine and the wide river channel that runs through the heart of that city. (I've been there twice to play a music fest, without actually knowing it was the inspiration for Derry) I see the orange glow of the deadlights in the Spider's eyes.

    I won't ever look at balloons the same way again. Clowns I've always hated anyway.

    I also think of sewers, storm drains, dead leaves, and all the secrets that lay beneath cities. I think there is side to humanity, a dark side, that we usually ignore, sweep under the carpet, or flush down the toilet. I also think that sometimes we adults ignore the things we held sacred in our youth. Things we have to remind ourselves because either the memories have faded or our responsibilities have taken over the energy we could have poured into our dreams. The monsters under our beds were only in our heads, but we made them real. And there is a magic and a power in that kind of imagination. It leads to creativity, friendship, a purpose - what you will ultimately become (or not become.) We can't lose that. King places that magic of childhood in a terrifying yet majestic time capsule that can be accessed at any moment if we just open the book back up.

    Kudos to the Author on this one, unforgettable work.

    ---Thanks for reading. Please share your thoughts, I'd love to read them.
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    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...it(no pun intended)won't be as eloquent as your summation Loop, but that novel gave me closure in a way...I am an only child of an overprotective mother, heavy, few friends as a kid, deflect hurt with humor etc....the Losers are me, and I am them...I didn't feel so alone anymore, and took pride in the fact that even the outcasts are important in many ways...
  3. doowopgirl

    doowopgirl very avid fan

    Well said Looper and GNT. For me it was about all the things mentioned. Facing your fears and letting bad stuff go. Using past hurdles to make you stronger. I relate to feeling an oddball. Sometimes I still feel a bit of an outsider, but not a loser anymore.
  4. Echo Looper

    Echo Looper Well-Known Member

    That is fantastic. That is the entire purpose of creating and sharing art (in my eyes anyway). I'm glad the novel did that for you GNTLGNT. Cheers
  5. mjs9153

    mjs9153 Guest

    Zackly..except I loved also the Derry histories, as it builds an understanding of the people who live there..guess as I get older,I appreciate history more..welcome to the board..
  6. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    I never would have thought that :cheerful:
  7. Neesy

    Neesy #1 fan (Annie Wilkes cousin) 1st cousin Mom's side

    Welcome to SKMB Echo Looper!
  8. Walter Oobleck

    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    This was the first Stephen King story I read. My brother who is gone now gave me his copy said here read this this is good it's about this clown. He said more but that's what I remember. Read It mid-90s. Enjoyed the story. Does not read like a 1,000-pager. Grew up in a small town, did some of the same kind of things, built small dams over by the C&H reclamation mill in Tamarack Mills...this time of year, spring, winter-melt run-off. Never had a problem with clowns...the Town Clown, Bozo, on television...a regular clown who made his way ahead of the parade...he was somewhat creepy pin-balling from one side of the street to the other. I've read the story since that first time how many times I forget or didn't bother to keep track. For all of Pennywise's incarnations, why do most key on the clown? I think because of what King was getting at in Danse Macabre...something about horror and humor lying side by side and to deny one is to deny the other. Or not, maybe I've got it all messed up. We used to build "shacks" or "forts" up in the bush, too...the town is situated at the bottom of gullied hills...on a lake, and we'd go up in the bush, build forts, play cards by candlelight, invented games. Heh! One was called "King Sh!t"...you'd take a card slam it down next to another's card...whoever had high card was King Sh!t and could tell the other what to do. Go over in the creek...there's an abundance of creeks around...and lap water like a dog. I double dog dare you. Course, always, someone stacked the deck. I could go on and on. So yeah, I identified with the kids...& then at some point I got to be so much older than I was and older than I am now.
  9. Echo Looper

    Echo Looper Well-Known Member

    Thanks everyone! Neesy - this is actually my screensaver at the moment :). Thanks for the welcome..... I have a quick question for you actually, how do you guys all get those lovely tags or signatures at the bottom of your posts? For example Neesy you have "All you need is love". Do you manually attach those or are they in the settings someplace? Can't seem to figure it out ??? :) Thanks! - T
  10. FlakeNoir

    FlakeNoir Original Kiwi© SKMB® Moderator

    Sounds like we had similar childhoods... we were always outside. Building huts, making a dam... lighting fires... :a24:

    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...I don't dwell on it-but life was very lonely for me, and still is some days...
    Chuggs, mjs9153, blunthead and 2 others like this.

    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...hey man, just go to the tab at the top right of your page that has your user name on it...and when the drop down magically appears-look for "signature' and voila!...
  13. Walter Oobleck

    Walter Oobleck keeps coming back...or going, and going, and going

    Some people are not permitted to have a signature. Maybe it has to do w/post count, many other reasons.
  14. FlakeNoir

    FlakeNoir Original Kiwi© SKMB® Moderator

    Oops, sorry I forgot to come back to answer this one. (Thanks for the reminder Walt.)

    You will need to wait until you've become unmoderated (once you reach 150 posts) and then you can follow the instructions that GNTLGNT has left above.

    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...oh yeah, that 150 Romulan Neutral Zone...
  16. Echo Looper

    Echo Looper Well-Known Member

    Ok thanks! Im assuming that count is for forum posts not profile posts correct? No big deal. Thanks!
  17. Echo Looper

    Echo Looper Well-Known Member

    I just found this 1st edition IT today in a local book shop. I've been looking for this original since I started collecting...(so only a few months, but excited about it nonetheless!)
    IT's in beautiful condition and it also spurred a fantastic conversation with the store clerk about how this was also his favorite book. - T

  18. Robert Gray

    Robert Gray Well-Known Member

    Congratulations brother. I've got a few myself and on the rare chance they come up I grab them too. Now you and I just have to find a way get them signed by the tale-slinger.
  19. mjs9153

    mjs9153 Guest

    Under the sewers in Derry..:grinning:

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  20. blunthead

    blunthead Well-Known Member

    Yeah, me neither, I'd never think of Scott as a loser or outcast. Yet I personally relate; I know just what he means. Though I'm not an only child, my mom was; also she had some childhood trauma which led to her being a little too protective of me. I think in childhood self-image is forming just like other parts of the human, but is much more fragile than the rest of us is.

    I think IT does a uniquely good job with the idea of the Anti-Hero. I identified with the losers in my way. I enjoyed reading your reflections on the book, Looper. If I find that I'm still alive by the time I complete everything sK has written, IT will probably be one of the first books I reread. Til then I'll reread your OP.

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