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My Reservation about It

Discussion in 'IT' started by Neil W, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. guido tkp

    guido tkp Well-Known Member

    i have no more wish for you to be silent as i would i...or any other, mjs...i would find it a poor palaver, indeed, if the most amount of voices could not be evenly heard 'cross the campfire: a good discussion requires, it seems, a vast sea of ideas to float a better boat...

    or..at least...if only to keep the wolves at bay...

    either way...no worries, mate

    i actually do like what he was going for...but for me...it got lost in all the same sort of gobbledegoop he, imho, too often mires his endings in...and i'd add that i felt similarily towards BOB, the stand, UTD, Duma, LS...and a few others

    for some of us...quite a few books, as GP mentions (but for probably different reasons: i loved everything about the book Cujo), might have had 3-4-500 pages of sheer storytelling brilliance...only to be let down by some odd renderings at the ending
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  2. mjs9153

    mjs9153 Guest

    Understood..beauty is in the eye of the beholder,yes? This book,and the Stand,Insomnia,The Shining,and so many of his short stories are favorites,while many did not measure up for me,in particular,I didn't care for Lisey's Story,Desperation,Gerald's Game,From a Buick 8,etc..you can't please everybody every time,that is for sure..
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  3. guido tkp

    guido tkp Well-Known Member

    true dat, sai !!
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  4. Kurben

    Kurben The Fool on the Hill

    That was Eddies personal horror as they called it in the book.
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  5. Mr. Gray Robert

    Mr. Gray Robert Well-Known Member

    To me the fact that IT's final "physical" form was
    a pregnant female scared me more than anything!!! Just think of the possibilities, e.g. Pennywise Lives.
  6. sam peebles

    sam peebles Well-Known Member

    I love the ending to this novel.

    I even love the
    cosmic spider, but even more than that, I love Bill's spirit being ripped through the sewers, tossed into the sky, and dragged kicking and screaming across the universe. That is some epic imagery. I loved the shell of the turtle, more of a husk now and covered in spider webs (What is it that It says about the turtle? "Choked on a galaxy or two a couple centuries back." Something like that.)

    Anyhoo, I loved everything about this ending--King gives us the physical form of a spider, always making me think of Ungoliant, and he gives us the incomprehensible madness of the Deadlights and the Ritual of Chud. You can't please everyone all the time, but I think King tried damned hard in this case, giving readers two options. I personally like the enormity of the Deadlights and Ritual of Chud aspect better, but c'mon! He also gave us a giant chittering spider! He gave us the grounded violence of the silver slugs and coupled that with the spirituality of the Native American ritual.

    Haven't read it in a while, and my memory might be off on some of the details above.

    Discussion about the ending always reminds me of a Richard Matheson anecdote. I think it's Matheson, but it could've been Harlan Ellison. He was working on Star Trek the Motion Picture, and came up with the ending of the Enterprise reaching the end of the universe and coming to a blank wall. They torpedo the wall, and behind its crumbling surface appears the eyes of God, staring back at them.

    Upon hearing this Gene Roddenberry reportedly said: "No, no, no! We need something bigger!"

    Matheson supposedly threw his hands up and quit.
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  7. Tery

    Tery I want to look at life In the available light Moderator

    It was Harlan Ellison. And it wasn't Roddenberry but the bigwigs at Paramount.
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  8. sam peebles

    sam peebles Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it sounds more like an Ellison tantrum. But in this circumstance I can't blame the guy.
  9. César Hernández-Meraz

    César Hernández-Meraz Wants to be Nick, ends up as Larry

    About Its final physical shape...

    I think the shape is just part of what frightens the heroes. By that moment, they have gone through a lot of perils, both out and in the tunnels. The door itself marks the last barrier to Its chamber. Once they cross it, everything would be frightening to the extreme.

    The light emanated by It would not be very natural, and it would help to make things look strange.

    The "feeling" inside that place would be too heavy. You know how some houses which have been closed for some time make you feel like the air is old; now imagine how old this air must be, with It living and feeding there.

    The web with the corpses. I think most of us would freak out by seeing a murder victim's corpse, even if it is still well preserved. But seeing so many mutilated and decomposing bodies, imagining what must have been done to them, would be a big hit to one's sanity.

    The full realization (even if they already knew this) that It has been living below their town even thousands of years before the town existed. Just knowing about it would not be preparation enough, I think. Once there, they may face the reality and see what it really means to go against an ancient evil, for whom we are nothing but lesser beings who can only hope to live (perhaps) one hundred years.

    The spider itself. Just seeing as a big-sized spider does not do It justice, in my opinion. It should be something that dominates the view. Something that makes you not even immediately realize the webs and the corpses are there. It is also evident to 10 and 11 year old kids that It is pregnant. I am not sure I can tell if a spider is pregnant just by looking at it, so I believe in this it case was more noticeable somehow that It was carrying something alive inside It.

    Something that could have worked against It in the end. It is very powerful. Yes, this caused It to be overconfident, but there surely was a reason for this confidence. I think that if It had used physical attacks against the kids as Its first option, they would have been obliterated. Of course, It would enjoy breaking them more. Also, when It already fears the existence of the Other, a simple physical victory would not stop Its fear. However, all of this means that the heroes were facing a creature that could kill them in seconds, and that was powerful enough to do something much worse than that.

    I go for all of that when the final door is crossed. So it is not only Its final form that causes the greatest shock, but all of this at the same time. Even if It were a small doll instead of a spider, all of the other elements would still be there (the same or with some variations) and would cause the same fear in the protagonists.
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