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There's no way to know what existed before the big bang simply because nothing that existed before the big bang survived the event. Additionally, there is no way to discover what is within a black hole since anything sent through (even if it survived) would never be able to return nor send data.
I disagree but, before I explain why I will just note that the Big Bang Theory is just that, a theory and so to make a conclusion based on a theory which has never been proven as a fact would be misleading and false. Same with Massive/Mini Black Holes etc, and Cosmic Wormholes.
 
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You may be confusing a scientific theory with a theory.
Theory (Scientific vs layman's definition) | Thinking Critically
No I am not. Why should I cloud the definitions of theory and fact by changing them depending on the situation. That would make for too much confusion instead of keeping a theory a theory all the time and a fact a fact all the time.

If there was a Big Bang with an expanding explosion universe then that continuing expansion of debris could never touch other debris of the explosion that is theoretically and continually expanding meaning no galaxy could collide with another.
That is why the following article sounds scientific but the basic facts do not corelate to other basic facts like an expanding universe. The last paragraph sums it up pretty good...
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No I am not. Why should I cloud the definitions of theory and fact by changing them depending on the situation. That would make for too much confusion instead of keeping a theory a theory all the time and a fact a fact all the time.

If there was a Big Bang with an expanding explosion universe then that continuing expansion of debris could never touch other debris of the explosion that is theoretically and continually expanding meaning no galaxy could collide with another.
That is why the following article sounds scientific but the basic facts do not corelate to other basic facts like an expanding universe. The last paragraph sums it up pretty good...
Galaxy Collisions
A scientific theory is based upon observable phenomena, i.e., empirical evidence (arguably, facts). A lay theory isn't that same kind of thing at all.

Maybe this chart of the way the scientific method works will help clarify.Steps of the Scientific Method_blue.jpg
 

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No I am not. Why should I cloud the definitions of theory and fact by changing them depending on the situation. That would make for too much confusion instead of keeping a theory a theory all the time and a fact a fact all the time.

If there was a Big Bang with an expanding explosion universe then that continuing expansion of debris could never touch other debris of the explosion that is theoretically and continually expanding meaning no galaxy could collide with another.
That is why the following article sounds scientific but the basic facts do not corelate to other basic facts like an expanding universe. The last paragraph sums it up pretty good...
Galaxy Collisions
What Jordan is getting at is that the scientific definition of the word theory is fact. In science the two words are synonymous. In science the word theory does not mean opinion or hypothesis or best guess. In common parlance theory has come to mean that. "Well, my theory on this or that is...". When someone uses the word theory that way they are not speaking scientifically, or they are speaking in scientific error.
 
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A scientific theory is based upon observable phenomena, i.e., empirical evidence (arguably, facts). A lay theory isn't that same kind of thing at all.
What Jordan is getting at is that the scientific definition of the word theory is fact. In science the two words are synonymous. In science the word theory does not mean opinion or hypothesis or best guess. In common parlance theory has come to mean that. "Well, my theory on this or that is...". When someone uses the word theory that way they are not speaking scientifically, or they are speaking in scientific error.

I do understand all that and you both give an example of what I mean. There are too many (lousy choices of new) scientific words, terms, and definitions that confuse the working folks with unneeded complexities, multiple meanings, and confusion. A theory should remain a theory and not be defined sometimes as a theory and sometimes as a fact. Any theory that is the best and probable answer should have its own neutrality in the definitions. For example, Unexplained Phenomena--theory--thact--fact...thact being the probable fact still a theory. Crude example but does illustrate my meaning which allows the average worker to follow scientific advances which is vital to our evolutionary advancement as a species. Why call objects of the cosmos matter, supposedly derived from the word material, losing the average street worker and a majority of the popualtion?? Don't tell me that it doesn't matter because, as a matter of fact (and theory), it does. Atter, cosmic stuff, or some other word would of been a lot better but who thinks of the answer perhaps hidden among the philosophers, oil painters, sculpturers, and other classic artists imprisoned as worker slaves by the high society leadership.