Star Wars Episode 7

[Grandpa]

IIRC, he said in an interview once that he liked Star Wars, but didn't like/was ambivalent towards Trek because he had problems with the characterisation, the philosophy, and so on.

Maybe it was because it had characterization and philosophy.

The following [spoiler] rants on the rebooted Star Trek:

Spoiler

Let's skip over the original Star Trek canon of Kirk being brilliant and driven and make him a resourceful juvenile delinquent instead. Let's put the flagship out on cruise with a bunch of cadets running it. Let's have an idiotic plot device. I'll spot him that.

Killing Vulcan? Spock, and the Vulcans, were essential to the core of Star Trek by giving us a baseline to view ourselves. Gene Roddenberry fought hard to keep Spock after narrow-minded TV execs (the precursor to Mr. Abrams, apparently) told him to get rid of the Satanic-looking alien. I mean, Roddenberry threatened to fall on his sword over it. Spock, and the Vulcans, were the lens through which we could view ourselves, all the beauty spots*, all the warts**.

And apparently, they were inconvenient, because they lacked dramatic punch or something. Sorry. I'm not forgiving this one.

*Such as when McCoy says he feels sorry for what Spock will never know - the glorious victories, the glorious defeats, the love, the passion. I can't remember exactly, but it was the good side of emotion.

**The comments on racism and xenophobia were central to the time the show was originally made and, I submit, will stay relevant for humans for some time.

So sure, maybe Mr. Abrams will work better with a show that has little bearing to our present existence and whose prevailing philosophy is an analog for tapping some mystical power of God. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[Mr Nobody]

Maybe it was because it had characterization and philosophy.

The following

Spoiler

rants on the rebooted Star Trek:

Spoiler

Let's skip over the original Star Trek canon of Kirk being brilliant and driven and make him a resourceful juvenile delinquent instead. Let's put the flagship out on cruise with a bunch of cadets running it. Let's have an idiotic plot device. I'll spot him that.

Killing Vulcan? Spock, and the Vulcans, were essential to the core of Star Trek by giving us a baseline to view ourselves. Gene Roddenberry fought hard to keep Spock after narrow-minded TV execs (the precursor to Mr. Abrams, apparently) told him to get rid of the Satanic-looking alien. I mean, Roddenberry threatened to fall on his sword over it. Spock, and the Vulcans, were the lens through which we could view ourselves, all the beauty spots*, all the warts**.

And apparently, they were inconvenient, because they lacked dramatic punch or something. Sorry. I'm not forgiving this one.

*Such as when McCoy says he feels sorry for what Spock will never know - the glorious victories, the glorious defeats, the love, the passion. I can't remember exactly, but it was the good side of emotion.

**The comments on racism and xenophobia were central to the time the show was originally made and, I submit, will stay relevant for humans for some time.

So sure, maybe Mr. Abrams will work better with a show that has little bearing to our present existence and whose prevailing philosophy is an analog for tapping some mystical power of God. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Wish I could 'Like' that a thousand times.

 

[swiftdog2.0]

It looks like a lot more fun than the Jar-Jar Binks trilogy.

Twist my arm. I'll go. This one looks like it needs to be experienced in 70mm.

I can pretty much guarantee that it was shot digitally and as such will have that digital soap opera look to it........

 

[swiftdog2.0]

The trailer didn't do much for me. Cool to see the Falcon and all but the soccer-ball droid and cheesy looking speeder-bike make me worry.........

I'm hoping this will be good. However, the trailer leads me to think it will be an over the top ,cheesetastic special effects spectacle. I also do not like the fact that Disney owns rights to the franchise now. I have a general disliking for all things Disney. Disney embodies all things Darkside..........

 

[Lily Sawyer]

The trailer didn't do much for me. Cool to see the Falcon and all but the soccer-ball droid and cheesy looking speeder-bike make me worry.........

I'm hoping this will be good. However, the trailer leads me to think it will be an over the top ,cheesetastic special effects spectacle. I also do not like the fact that Disney owns rights to the franchise now. I have a general disliking for all things Disney. Disney embodies all things Darkside..........

I lived five minutes from Disney when I was in L.A. It was a good place to work, but there are aspects of it that compelled me to refer to it as The Evil Empire.

 

[Dana Jean]

I lived five minutes from Disney when I was in L.A. It was a good place to work, but there are aspects of it that compelled me to refer to it as The Evil Empire.

I always wanted to work at Disney, but I figured I'd end up selling parking tickets, or fast food. Not the fun stuff.

 

[Lily Sawyer]

I always wanted to work at Disney, but I figured I'd end up selling parking tickets, or fast food. Not the fun stuff.

Those jobs would have earned you the job title of "Cast Member". (Not kidding. You're considered an integral part of the paying public's Disney fantasy, which is considered to be like a kid's film on a loop: never-ending. Très bizarre.)

That should give you an inkling of why Disney is a surreal experience in a deeply weird kind of way.

 

[Mr Nobody]

I lived five minutes from Disney when I was in L.A. It was a good place to work, but there are aspects of it that compelled me to refer to it as The Evil Empire.

I've never lived closer than about 5300 miles from Disney, and I call it The Evil Empire too.

 

[Grandpa]

I lived five minutes from Disney when I was in L.A. It was a good place to work, but there are aspects of it that compelled me to refer to it as The Evil Empire.

I was under the impression that the employees generally referred to it as The Mouse.

 

[Neil W]

Is it just me, or does anyone else suspect that having the guard (the crosspiece between the haft and blade of your sword-type weapon) made out of a laser beam is a very bad idea?

 

[swiftdog2.0]

Is it just me, or does anyone else suspect that having the guard (the crosspiece between the haft and blade of your sword-type weapon) made out of a laser beam is a very bad idea?

I agree!

 

[CriticAndProud]

Is it just me, or does anyone else suspect that having the guard (the crosspiece between the haft and blade of your sword-type weapon) made out of a laser beam is a very bad idea?

I've read that it may not be a guard, but a vent of some kind. Doubt it though.

 

[blunthead]

I always wanted to work at Disney, but I figured I'd end up selling parking tickets, or fast food. Not the fun stuff.

Not to hijack the thread, but I've always wanted to be involved in the movie industry. My dream job.

 

[CriticAndProud]

Not to hijack the thread, but I've always wanted to be involved in the movie industry. My dream job.

Ditto.

 

[Grandpa]

Not to hijack the thread, but I've always wanted to be involved in the movie industry. My dream job.

Ditto.

Me too. If you're on Facebook, just mention that on your bucket list is to do a little independent movie. You'll get all kinds of volunteers ("me! me!") to act in it, but nothing that's all that helpful (filming, location(s), makeup, effects, props, etc.).

 

[Rrty]

Getting into this thread late, but for me, I'm not sure I care one way or the other about this film. I will probably see it, weeks after it opens.

However, more importantly, I own Disney stock, and I am counting on this to help the shares go much higher than they currently are. Anyone else hold Disney in their portfolio?

As for the movie industry thing, I hear you. I just write screenplays, both short and long, and keep sending them out. Never get a bite, but I hope to someday see a short film made from one of my pieces.

 

[stevegane]

Go and see it, I will....

 

[Nerich]

My thoughts (like they matter)(they don't):

A non-Fett stormtrooper lost and confused on Tatooine? Okay, I'm intrigued.

Weird-shaped speeder and droids... sure, I'm fine with that. Part of the culture.

Falcon... very cool. Nice.

J.J. Abrams... I wouldn't have believed that one person could destroy a lifelong devotion to Star Trek, but he did it. Still, I have an open mind. If he can pull this off, I'll happily watch it.

In Abrams defense, Bob Orci (what a name!) is given credit for the destructive writing of the Star Trek 'reboot'.

 

[Nerich]

Maybe it was because it had characterization and philosophy.

The following

Spoiler

rants on the rebooted Star Trek:

Spoiler

Let's skip over the original Star Trek canon of Kirk being brilliant and driven and make him a resourceful juvenile delinquent instead. Let's put the flagship out on cruise with a bunch of cadets running it. Let's have an idiotic plot device. I'll spot him that.

Killing Vulcan? Spock, and the Vulcans, were essential to the core of Star Trek by giving us a baseline to view ourselves. Gene Roddenberry fought hard to keep Spock after narrow-minded TV execs (the precursor to Mr. Abrams, apparently) told him to get rid of the Satanic-looking alien. I mean, Roddenberry threatened to fall on his sword over it. Spock, and the Vulcans, were the lens through which we could view ourselves, all the beauty spots*, all the warts**.

And apparently, they were inconvenient, because they lacked dramatic punch or something. Sorry. I'm not forgiving this one.

*Such as when McCoy says he feels sorry for what Spock will never know - the glorious victories, the glorious defeats, the love, the passion. I can't remember exactly, but it was the good side of emotion.

**The comments on racism and xenophobia were central to the time the show was originally made and, I submit, will stay relevant for humans for some time.

So sure, maybe Mr. Abrams will work better with a show that has little bearing to our present existence and whose prevailing philosophy is an analog for tapping some mystical power of God. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Again, you can't blame everything on Abrams. He never wanted to move with his family to England to do Trek anyway. In addition, Star Wars is based on The Knights Templar that fought for justice during the Crusades.

Spoiler

Also, on your list you forgot the fact that Nero uses red matter to destroy Vulcan so, we must ask ourselves, if he had red matter then why didn't the Romulans use it themselves instead of waiting for Spock to arrive five minutes late in a coffin sized ship with a propeller. I mean, didn't the actors read the script?

 

[Nerich]

Legend has it:

One of the oldest and most effective curses ever was put into motion by E.L. (Eastern Lightning), a satanic group, against the rising America and our lifelong work to bring about peace and a world without borders. Up until Ronald Reagan, every U.S. President becoming president in a year with a zero was assassinated while in office. Nancy Reagan, a dedicated spiritualist and occultist, was terrified for her husband and lived in constant fear. I can only imagine how she must have felt when Reagan was shot in an assassination attempt. He survived, though, and went on to be glorified as the President that brought Russia to their knees and that won the cold war with his 'Star Wars Program', not project.

The original Star Wars films are obviously based on events of The Knights Templar of the Temple Of Solomon who were direct descendants of Jesus and John The Baptist and their Apostles and Disciples and fought for justice during the Crusades and even later up until this day under various identities. Arts and crafts is spiritual and alive. That is why satanists are scared of art and allow drugs to suppress it.

In any case, a few years after Reagan left office he began showing symptoms of Alzheimers and withered away slowly over many years while hiding in shame as Nancy helplessly watched and took care of him, loyal to the end. Not an easy way to go. I personally would have preferred the bullet if I was in his place. Reagan was not warned and this time it there is much more at stake. Because Reagan was saved by the illuminati the curse was broken. George W. Bush was the next in line and lives healthy with his family. His father, George Bush Sr., is in a wheelchair but fine. He was, however, the vice president under Reagan.

Just thought I'd mention that...