the best laid plans Of Mice and Men..
RIP Noah
The Walking Dead ***please use SPOILER tags***
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anybody notice at the start,where Gabriel(that rat!)is standing at his makeshift podium,tearing pages out of his bible,and he has like a glass picture hanging behind him?You would expect a religious theme,being a makeshift church gathering place,but it appeared to be a grove of trees..like the grove next to where Carol had the girls look at the flowers..
I agree with you on Carol. She has become the more interesting characters on the show. The WD is supposed to be about people in the zombie apocalypse trying to make it, but having to make questionable choices in the process. She really embodies that.
Scarol is becoming the best character on the show. She sees a situation and she does not even thing twice. Pete's gotta go. Poor Sam, he can detect Scarol is going come to his rescue. Plus, Father Gabriel-Probably the worst one to talk about doing unspeakable things...He locked his parish out.
My favorite nickname for the priest is Judas Priest 
Ummm....we'll just keep that one on the low down.ohmygosh Arista! How long have you had these psychic abilities? You were spot on
Okay, I learned something on Walking Dead last night. When the guy said he was going to send a fax...Took me minute to figure out he was going to potty. Abraham-you are so bad arst killing walker's with a chain maul.
Wow.
Father Gabriel is an ass. After all they did to save him... Poor Noah. I hate Nicholas, but Glenn made the right decision to bring him back- gotta have someone to back up their story of how Aiden died, hopefully Nicholas will tell the truth on that one. Eugene really stepped up, here's hoping they save Tara. I'm curious how Rick and Carol will pull off the plan to save Jessie and kids. Can't believe there are only two episodes left...
See i never trusted Father Gabriel from the beginning lol.
Aw..poor Noah,telling Glenn,don't let me go..
I'm getting very tired of
VERY unhappy SkiMom here.
Carol
the kills on this show. It's like they think they can't have more than one black man on at a time. Gabriel must be going to die, because Morgan is coming back (however briefly)
Carol
is batshit crazy--the way she acts is over the top and unrealistic, and it frustrates me. I'm beginning to want her to die. Gabriel is just as awful as he began. Eugene found his missing spine. And I cried when Glenn did. Strong episode (narratively), but I didn't like it much at all.
One thing that struck me last night
Deanna had a pained look in her eyes, when one more from Rick's group was given a position of authority...Abraham. One by one, Rick's group is taking over and individually each one seems the right choice. But, she has worked to get this little village set up and is watching it drip through her fingers. It's possible they are good people. Dumb, and obviously not all are good people, but maybe Deanna is. But she's not likely to stay good if she feels she's losing her village.
I'm thinking
that maybe Rick's group are the bad guys now. They've been good and taken advantage of and almost wiped out, maybe there has been a shift. Maybe they are the ones to watch out for instead of to sympathize with.
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It's called survival of the fittest. Darwin had much to say about that. Did you notice the new zombies?
"revolving door" zombies
There is a saying, in a zombie apocalypse,
never go out a revolving door
Zombie apocalypse swan song
"Don't let me go"
I think I'm in the same camp as skimom2.
The ep started out promisingly. Mostly, it lived up to it and it was a good ep, yet by the end it wasn't satisfaction or enjoyment I was feeling the most, but anger. (Nothing like on the level I feel at other, more serious, real-world situations and injustices, and certainly nothing like I felt towards the people who, at the weekend, stood at the foot of a building in a town not that far from here and goaded a bloke into jumping...all while filming it on their goddamn phones, but anger nonetheless.)
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The ep started out promisingly. Mostly, it lived up to it and it was a good ep, yet by the end it wasn't satisfaction or enjoyment I was feeling the most, but anger. (Nothing like on the level I feel at other, more serious, real-world situations and injustices, and certainly nothing like I felt towards the people who, at the weekend, stood at the foot of a building in a town not that far from here and goaded a bloke into jumping...all while filming it on their goddamn phones, but anger nonetheless.)
For me, everything was fine until the warehouse scene. I'd presume that people who do ROTC are taught about things like not shooting at grenades - that stuff is surely all part of 'check target' when it comes to CQB (or CQC, depending on what you call it; for us it's CQB). But, for the sake of artistic licence and the fact that the character seemed like a bit of an asshat anyway, I'll accept that maybe he wasn't or maybe he just lost his head and things went from there.
What really irked me, again, was the lack of compassion. When it became clear that Mr ROTC couldn't be rescued and it was time to bug out, for Christ's sake put a round in his head. The zeds will still close in and have a good old munch because of the smell of fresh blood, but as a mercy to the guy, slot him so he can't feel it.
Noah's case was different and I'll say that the FX were very good, I hope they get the award they were clearly shooting for. But...logical storytelling took a walk. Zeds aren't much more than skin and bone. They have enough muscle to serve, but that is all. Yet Noah gets his face ripped apart. Why? You know he's all kinds of ****ed apart from the good kind. You don't need his cheek to get ripped open like that. And by what? What zombie has that kind of strength? Even two guys the size of Abraham, really going for it, wouldn't generally be able to do that to a person, so a zombie or two or three would have no chance. Lack of logic for the sake of being gruesome = me sitting there going "Oh **** right off". And grue I can stand, if it makes sense within the whole. Usually it does - it's a walker being put down or a 'regular' death; not strictly necessary but...yeah, OK, if you want - but that didn't. It was gratuitous and one for the type of fan who's all about the gore and screw the story.
And yep, they might as well rename it The Whitey Dead if or when Gabe, Michonne and Sasha bite the bullet (and two of those three are sure to before long). Bob, Tyreese, Noah...all gone and largely unlamented. Beth, now...two eps of teeth-gnashing and existential BS. (And there was also T-Dog and the guy at the prison.)
The way things are going, Morgan will rock up and be dead within 10 minutes.
What really irked me, again, was the lack of compassion. When it became clear that Mr ROTC couldn't be rescued and it was time to bug out, for Christ's sake put a round in his head. The zeds will still close in and have a good old munch because of the smell of fresh blood, but as a mercy to the guy, slot him so he can't feel it.
Noah's case was different and I'll say that the FX were very good, I hope they get the award they were clearly shooting for. But...logical storytelling took a walk. Zeds aren't much more than skin and bone. They have enough muscle to serve, but that is all. Yet Noah gets his face ripped apart. Why? You know he's all kinds of ****ed apart from the good kind. You don't need his cheek to get ripped open like that. And by what? What zombie has that kind of strength? Even two guys the size of Abraham, really going for it, wouldn't generally be able to do that to a person, so a zombie or two or three would have no chance. Lack of logic for the sake of being gruesome = me sitting there going "Oh **** right off". And grue I can stand, if it makes sense within the whole. Usually it does - it's a walker being put down or a 'regular' death; not strictly necessary but...yeah, OK, if you want - but that didn't. It was gratuitous and one for the type of fan who's all about the gore and screw the story.
And yep, they might as well rename it The Whitey Dead if or when Gabe, Michonne and Sasha bite the bullet (and two of those three are sure to before long). Bob, Tyreese, Noah...all gone and largely unlamented. Beth, now...two eps of teeth-gnashing and existential BS. (And there was also T-Dog and the guy at the prison.)
The way things are going, Morgan will rock up and be dead within 10 minutes.
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This week, Carol handled the kid all wrong from the start. It was quite smart of her to send him to nick the chocolate, as she can now deny taking the guns and say he'd mentioned needing one - if or when anyone notices some are missing. Apart from that...this kid has power over her. He realizes it to some extent, and will come to realize it fully later on, I'm sure. It was there in the "I haven't told about the guns" comment. The undertone was 'yet' (and he conveyed that very well. A lot of child actors would have overdone it; kudos again to the young man and also to the director, who had the sense to keep in reined in). Either way, being so openly antagonistic isn't going to help in the long run, and I find it hard to believe from her as a character for all the reasons I mentioned before.
I still think, too, that Carol has grabbed the wrong end of the stick re: Jessie. Understandable, given her history, just as Rick's reaction is understandable because tbh he's just looking for an excuse. But, to me, Jessie seems too confident to be an abused woman. Plus, if she's a fellow victim, why would the boy smash the crap out of her owl? That's revenge in the only way he can reasonably take it, while if you spin the hubby's behaviour around - she comes to the door and says it's not a good time, falls into a bottle pretty regularly and acts rather belligerently as and when they can, kid hints that there's bad stuff at home - most people would be hearing alarm bells re: abuse. Because it's a guy, that's not the case. People read 'abuser'. But that's a plus point to the writers and production team. It's brilliantly ambiguous. It could still be either or neither, but Rick's going to do the deed and the brown stuff will hit the fan, big time. And it's becoming clearer that, perhaps, Alexandria is the real deal. Along with the group, the viewer has been conditioned to see the worst in a given situation. Could be that Deanna and co are on the up-and-up, and the group will lose what they have long sought and desired through their own actions - or at least most of them will. I can see Daryl and perhaps Abraham disavowing the rest of the group and leaving them to go on their merry way. Maybe Maggie and Glenn, too.
I still think, too, that Carol has grabbed the wrong end of the stick re: Jessie. Understandable, given her history, just as Rick's reaction is understandable because tbh he's just looking for an excuse. But, to me, Jessie seems too confident to be an abused woman. Plus, if she's a fellow victim, why would the boy smash the crap out of her owl? That's revenge in the only way he can reasonably take it, while if you spin the hubby's behaviour around - she comes to the door and says it's not a good time, falls into a bottle pretty regularly and acts rather belligerently as and when they can, kid hints that there's bad stuff at home - most people would be hearing alarm bells re: abuse. Because it's a guy, that's not the case. People read 'abuser'. But that's a plus point to the writers and production team. It's brilliantly ambiguous. It could still be either or neither, but Rick's going to do the deed and the brown stuff will hit the fan, big time. And it's becoming clearer that, perhaps, Alexandria is the real deal. Along with the group, the viewer has been conditioned to see the worst in a given situation. Could be that Deanna and co are on the up-and-up, and the group will lose what they have long sought and desired through their own actions - or at least most of them will. I can see Daryl and perhaps Abraham disavowing the rest of the group and leaving them to go on their merry way. Maybe Maggie and Glenn, too.
Except the fittest don't always survive. Get a barrel of rats and put a relative weakling in the centre. Irradiate the barrel. The one at the centre will, most likely, have survived. Stronger adjacent rats will have succumbed.
By and large the fittest and most adaptable should and probably do survive. But half of everything is luck and you only need to be unlucky once (or die before you can find a suitable mate with which to create the next generation with your advantages), no matter how strong you are.
It's one reason why evolutionary developments can't be predicted.
I appear to have gone off-piste. Excuse me while I find my way back to the topic...and the point you were trying to make.