Are musicians our modern day philosophers?

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Nomik

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It's all there for us to decipher. Subtract the music, whatever the type, and we are left with powerful words reflecting the human (and at times inhuman) condition.
It's the chords and the words that make a philosophical statement. For example, ever wonder why I play this one Pink Floyd song in the artist thread? It is a chord progression, repeating itself with the emphasis on the segue, the lyrics are a backdrop. The music acts as a holistic catalyst.
Segue
For the sake of comparison, this version has more lyrical clarity.
Hear both? Symbiosis ahhh.
Lastly, here's a different kind of symbiotic reflection. Literary (i.e. Tolkien), cultural, lyrical, and cinematic (Peter Jackson et al)
This is from Return of the King, an yes, I did just make the SK, Tolkien, Eyes of the Dragon connection in a glaringly obvious way: henceforth readily evident.
 
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Tery

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You have some very good points, Dio and Nomik. I agree with you. Not every lyricist has a philosophical bent but some of my favorites do. You know I must mention Neil Peart for this discussion. Even on the first batch of songs he wrote, he went philosophical. Listen to "Fly By Night" for the best example from that album, IMO. Yeah, he did some sci-fi and fantasy on those early albums but, by the time he wrote "Freewill" in 1979, he was turning his vision outward.

In the 1980s he wrote some really deep lyrics. They reflect the world as he saw it then, undergoing changes like the fall of the USSR ("Heresy"). He also drew from places and things he'd seen ("Scars"where my sig line comes from). Losing his daughter, then wife within a year of one another gave us intensely personal lyrics like "Ghost Rider." Finally, with Clockwork Angels' story arc dealing with those big questions -- why are we here? What is life about? -- Peart drew on many influences to present his philosophy.

There are other lyricists who are deeply philosophical but I'm getting tired and it's hard to type on this Kindle keyboard. ;P
 

Nomik

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You have some very good points, Dio and Nomik. I agree with you. Not every lyricist has a philosophical bent but some of my favorites do. You know I must mention Neil Peart for this discussion. Even on the first batch of songs he wrote, he went philosophical. Listen to "Fly By Night" for the best example from that album, IMO. Yeah, he did some sci-fi and fantasy on those early albums but, by the time he wrote "Freewill" in 1979, he was turning his vision outward.

In the 1980s he wrote some really deep lyrics. They reflect the world as he saw it then, undergoing changes like the fall of the USSR ("Heresy"). He also drew from places and things he'd seen ("Scars"where my sig line comes from). Losing his daughter, then wife within a year of one another gave us intensely personal lyrics like "Ghost Rider." Finally, with Clockwork Angels' story arc dealing with those big questions -- why are we here? What is life about? -- Peart drew on many influences to present his philosophy.

There are other lyricists who are deeply philosophical but I'm getting tired and it's hard to type on this Kindle keyboard. ;P
Thank you Tery, I had a little bit of regret posting this, not so much because of insecurity, but because I had doubts )'m (
Exactly. There is a delay on my iPhone keypad and this is a tedious way to write.
Ready? To go to sleep, I mean?
 

Nomik

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Musing more on the original topic: are musicians modern day philosophers. I suppose I'd have to say no. Hedonistic existentialism: "I'm falling so I'm taking my time on my ride. .. .Ive been thinking too much, I've been thinking too much, I've been thinking to much, help me. . ." (a popular song right now)
Doesn't have the same ring to it as
"I will arise and go now, to the lake isle of Innisfree. .
And I shall have some peace there, for peace comes dropping low,
Low like lake water lapping . .
And a small cabin build there, a hive for the honeybee, and live alone in the bee loud glade"
-Yeats
 

HollyGolightly

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Billy Joel describes relationships and life from a well-thought-out perspective ....Even "Always A Woman To Me" causes me to evaluate just what comprises a connection on a profound level between two people ... he expresses it well outside the cliches of 'lurve song' territory ...
Summer Highland Falls - always gets me. Those choices: reality and madness, sadness or euphoria.
 

GNTLGNT

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Hello again
Your words they make me smile
As I drift away
In my little room upstairs

Oh I spend my nights
Imagining your face your touch
Then I realize
How I don't even know your name

If we could share our time
Would I disappoint your fantasies
I believe that you could be the one I'm needing
'cause I'm

only lonely on the inside
didn't mean to take away your dreams
only lonely on the inside
when you close your eyes to your deepest thoughts

I could start to give apologies
For all the stupid things That I will say and I will do
If we should ever cross the same place at the same time
Would your world skip a beat 'cause it was me

If we could share our life
Would I disappoint your memories
I believe that I could be the one your needing
And I'm

[CHORUS]

If I could give back your hopes your joys your treasures
Don't you think that I would change my world
But there's so many things trying to pull us together
Even though we're far apart I can still watch you walk away

Only lonely on the inside
Didn't mean to take away your dreams
Only lonely on the inside
When you close your eyes do you see me

(in your deepest thoughts do you see me)
(when you close your eyes, in your deepest thoughts do you see me)


...from Hootie & The Blowfish.......it's one that grabs and squeezes my heart everytime.....may not be deep philosophy, but it still makes me think......

 

TheRedQueen

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I have often wondered this. It seems to me as though the "hippies", Rock n Roll stars, certain scientists, and even those of the health nut bent know something that the rest of the world doesn't. Namely that peace is possible, and that we are standing in our own way.

Why else would the collective world leaders be so afraid of "drugs" that encourage open minded thinking? Why else would the good ol boy types--types like my stepfather--renounce certain music as evil? Heck, why didn't the Church allow people to read the Bible for themselves? (Way back in the day, this was)


Personally, I think it's because, if we were united as human beings, as we ought to be, it would change everything. And the freaks, misfits, rebels and artists of world know this. They know we could change the world. They know there is a whole new realm of knowledge and wisdom out there, if only we could lay our petty differences aside and just love each other as humans first.

And the collective corporate mind is terrified of this way of thinking. Because if enough people wake up, they'll overthrow....well, everything. Corporations and big government would go bye bye.

But then again I'm a conspiracy theorist that believes "the man" is purposefully keeping us blind and stupid and distracted, because greed. We worship the almighty dollar above all things in this world, and to my logic, a cashless society would be the first thing established if a revolution happened. The corporate mind would hate that. The whole world thinking for themselves, holding themselves accountable for their own actions, and being entirely self sufficient? What would Walmart do? Ha.

To prove my point and get off my soapbox, does anyone remember Nickleback's "Revolution"? It's vanished from the air waves around here. Gone. I wonder why....(she said sarcastically)
 

Nomik

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I have often wondered this. It seems to me as though the "hippies", Rock n Roll stars, certain scientists, and even those of the health nut bent know something that the rest of the world doesn't. Namely that peace is possible, and that we are standing in our own way.

Why else would the collective world leaders be so afraid of "drugs" that encourage open minded thinking? Why else would the good ol boy types--types like my stepfather--renounce certain music as evil? Heck, why didn't the Church allow people to read the Bible for themselves? (Way back in the day, this was)


Personally, I think it's because, if we were united as human beings, as we ought to be, it would change everything. And the freaks, misfits, rebels and artists of world know this. They know we could change the world. They know there is a whole new realm of knowledge and wisdom out there, if only we could lay our petty differences aside and just love each other as humans first.

And the collective corporate mind is terrified of this way of thinking. Because if enough people wake up, they'll overthrow....well, everything. Corporations and big government would go bye bye.

But then again I'm a conspiracy theorist that believes "the man" is purposefully keeping us blind and stupid and distracted, because greed. We worship the almighty dollar above all things in this world, and to my logic, a cashless society would be the first thing established if a revolution happened. The corporate mind would hate that. The whole world thinking for themselves, holding themselves accountable for their own actions, and being entirely self sufficient? What would Walmart do? Ha.

To prove my point and get off my soapbox, does anyone remember Nickleback's "Revolution"? It's vanished from the air waves around here. Gone. I wonder why....(she said sarcastically)
This one?
 

skimom2

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Good topic, DiO. I think in so much as we have philosophers in this era, lyricists play a large role. Not all musicians have that bent, but those that do handle the role of poet philosopher neatly. Those writers exist in most genres--even vapid pop has those songs that have a curiously philosophical bent, usually creditable to writer more than singer. And that isn't new--for those with a religious bent, what are psalms? Songs. And the fact that they were an accepted part of literary canon at the time that those were written tells us that it was a culturally valid way to pass philosophy and knowledge long before 'David' existed (whether he existed at all is a topic for another time--lol).
 

Nomik

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Hello again
Your words they make me smile
As I drift away
In my little room upstairs

Oh I spend my nights
Imagining your face your touch
Then I realize
How I don't even know your name

If we could share our time
Would I disappoint your fantasies
I believe that you could be the one I'm needing
'cause I'm

only lonely on the inside
didn't mean to take away your dreams
only lonely on the inside
when you close your eyes to your deepest thoughts

I could start to give apologies
For all the stupid things That I will say and I will do
If we should ever cross the same place at the same time
Would your world skip a beat 'cause it was me

If we could share our life
Would I disappoint your memories
I believe that I could be the one your needing
And I'm

[CHORUS]

If I could give back your hopes your joys your treasures
Don't you think that I would change my world
But there's so many things trying to pull us together
Even though we're far apart I can still watch you walk away

Only lonely on the inside
Didn't mean to take away your dreams
Only lonely on the inside
When you close your eyes do you see me

(in your deepest thoughts do you see me)
(when you close your eyes, in your deepest thoughts do you see me)


...from Hootie & The Blowfish.......it's one that grabs and squeezes my heart everytime.....may not be deep philosophy, but it still makes me think......

. . That's it!
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