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Utterly heartbreaking. I agree with him 100%.
I blame our NSA who must have watched the man's disturbing video...posted before he took action. We hear so much about how valiant they are, on guard, gathering all that information. Well what in the hell did they do with this video! Pop popcorn and kick back and analyze it before filing it in their Utah bedchamber of colossal proportion?
Prayers for the families and friends of those who passed before their time and those who are recovering from injuries. This has to stop!
...I grieve for the loss of life, but cannot agree with AGAIN blaming the gun for the violence...California already has some of the most Draconian gun laws in the country, and you can see how effective they were...you know me, I have stated it countless times after horrific events like these-I am all for common sense laws and controls-but that wouldn't have stopped this kid, or countless others who were hell-bent on taking lives....the clues were all there, they just weren't acted upon...considering his state of mind, from the "manifesto" clips I've read...if it hadn't been a firearm, it would have been something else....but I'm a gun-nut, and you know how we are...
I feel for the father, his sorrow, rage, and impotence in the face of a society that enables its malicious citizens to do these types of things. But the ultimate responsibility goes to the one who carries out the evil act.
We're going to have 30,000, more or less, deaths at the end of a barrel a year. That's the price we pay for our gun rights.
We're going to have 30,000, more or less, deaths at the end of a barrel a year. That's the price we pay for our gun rights.
...true that Gpa....and it's that element which brings about those deaths, who wreak such havoc on lives and the stress on those of us who ARE responsible and well-informed gun owners...I don't possess an armory, but I have enough to protect my life and the lives of those I love-and to blow a cannonball size whole in the head of any stray zombies....
The father is upset, understandably so. I can't imagine the hell he is going thru. He's lashing out at anything trying to make sense of what happened. Emotion doesn't tend to foster rational arguments and gun rights seem to polarize people very quickly. I do agree with GNT, the whack job who shot the people had an agenda and access to firearms or lack thereof wasn't going to stop him. If it hadn't been a gun it would have been some other means of projecting his "agenda" onto innocent people. Another nut job who thought social media was his personal sounding board. Inflated sense of entitlement, mental illness, social media, and access to firearms, a dangerous combination.
That's the rub, though, isn't it? With the current system of allowing access to firearms, there will always be loopholes or go-arounds for those who want to do harm just as easily as those who are responsible. There has to be a better way if we're going to keep the second amendment provisions intact to protect innocent victims of gun violence and keeping the status quo is not doing it. I'm not advocating repeal (although I admit I wouldn't be sorry if it happened) but change is necessary and there have been common ground suggestions for having that happen which are fought at every turn by the NRA lobby. Enough is enough and their power and grip on politicians needs to be seen for what it is, an unreasonable policy that is promoting and enabling physical harm needlessly.
A clearly troubled youth. The anger by the father is understandable. Too bad the officers didn’t go into this kid’s room when they paid him a visit prior to the incident. But didn’t he murder some of his victims with a knife, and use a vehicle as a weapon also? Sounds like the tragedy would have happened even if a gun wasn’t involved.
He used a knife to kill his roommates......
Whether or not everyone gets picked on, everyone feels different from everyone else. I wish more people just knew that they aren't alone in feeling lonely and different. Everyone goes through this at some point, if not always.
But it was and nothing is being done to stop the next one, and the next one, and the next one....
Isn’t Michael Bloomberg pumping more money then even the NRA commits, into anti-gun legislation and candidates right now? Doesn’t sound to me like “nothing.”
Nothing may have been too strong a word but until lobbying actually brings about changes, it's just more "noise". And until the lobbying affects politicians' chances of getting reelected--which let's face it is where the NRA has its power--I'm skeptical of its impact in enacting meaningful legislation.
Bloomberg’s money is serving as a counter-balance to the NRA in lobbying efforts for gun control. Therefore if politician’s don’t enact change it is because their constituents don’t want it and not the lobbying efforts. And the constituents are and represent the will of the people. It seems to be the one thing that the people actually have a say in government’s affairs over the will of big business IMO.
I'll agree to disagree.
We always seem to end up doing that.
It's much better for my blood pressure that way although I could use a little more exercise climbing on/off the soapbox.We always seem to end up doing that.
