Calling All Insomniacs!

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Sigmund

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I suffered from insomnia at one point. That is some miserable crap. Tired but can't go to sleep. Mind racing. Yuck.

According to the research I did :

No TV in the bedroom.

Bed is only for sleeping. (Or romance.) (No reading, watching TV, text, phone, laptop, etc.)

If you can't fall asleep after 20 minutes, get out of bed and go to another room and do something relaxing. RELAXING..not stimulating.

Get up everyday at the same time. Don't try to *catch up* on lost sleep on non work days by sleeping in late.

No naps during waking hours. A 15 minute nap might cost you a nights sleep. (Bummer.)

No exercise four hours before bedtime. No caffeine eight hours before bedtime.

Set up a routine. For example: An hour before bedtime, take a shower, feed the pets, have a light snack, brush your teeth, fix your lunch for the next day, check the doors and windows, flip through a magazine, watch a 30 minute TV show, etc. Train your body/mind you are winding down for the day and sleep is pleasant and expected.

My heart goes out to all who suffer from insomnia.

"To sleep, perchance to dream." (Dream about being able to sleep. )
 

Kurben

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I suffered from insomnia at one point. That is some miserable crap. Tired but can't go to sleep. Mind racing. Yuck.

According to the research I did :

No TV in the bedroom.

Bed is only for sleeping. (Or romance.) (No reading, watching TV, text, phone, laptop, etc.)

If you can't fall asleep after 20 minutes, get out of bed and go to another room and do something relaxing. RELAXING..not stimulating.

Get up everyday at the same time. Don't try to *catch up* on lost sleep on non work days by sleeping in late.

No naps during waking hours. A 15 minute nap might cost you a nights sleep. (Bummer.)

No exercise four hours before bedtime. No caffeine eight hours before bedtime.

Set up a routine. For example: An hour before bedtime, take a shower, feed the pets, have a light snack, brush your teeth, fix your lunch for the next day, check the doors and windows, flip through a magazine, watch a 30 minute TV show, etc. Train your body/mind you are winding down for the day and sleep is pleasant and expected.

My heart goes out to all who suffer from insomnia.

"To sleep, perchance to dream." (Dream about being able to sleep. )
If i ever get that scheduled i would not survive. And then i wouldn't need to sleep :hmm:so it might be a kind of solution afterall....
And catching up does work, i'm great at it. No exercise at all is more like it. I always sleep badly the evenings i exercised 18-20 in the evening. Bed only for sleeping... :shock:Kidding right? I absolutely have problems reading sitting up so if i couldn't lie down to read... Horrible thought. I probably go crazyif i couldn't read. Go up Everyday at the same time... What a horrible thought:dunno:. It is just the sleep as long as you like that make saturdays so wonderful. What you describe seem to me like a horror story By the Master himself. Except for the No TV in the bedroom. I can dig that:peace: but otherwise.... :blarf:
 

Sigmund

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If i ever get that scheduled i would not survive. And then i wouldn't need to sleep :hmm:so it might be a kind of solution afterall....
And catching up does work, i'm great at it. No exercise at all is more like it. I always sleep badly the evenings i exercised 18-20 in the evening. Bed only for sleeping... :shock:Kidding right? I absolutely have problems reading sitting up so if i couldn't lie down to read... Horrible thought. I probably go crazyif i couldn't read. Go up Everyday at the same time... What a horrible thought:dunno:. It is just the sleep as long as you like that make saturdays so wonderful. What you describe seem to me like a horror story By the Master himself. Except for the No TV in the bedroom. I can dig that:peace: but otherwise.... :blarf:


:laugh:

Hi, sir!

:rofl: :rofl:

I understand.

1. Go to bed at the same time every night and wake up at the same time every morning. That includes weekends. By sticking to a schedule you’ll be significantly more alert than if you slept for the same total amount of time at varying hours during the week.

2. Sleep in one continuous block. So-called “fragmented sleep” causes daytime drowsiness, compromises learning, memory, productivity, and creativity. “In fact, six hours of continuous sleep are often more restorative than eight hours of fragmented sleep.”

3. Make up for lost sleep as soon as possible. Catch up by going to bed earlier rather than sleeping later. If you sleep later, it will make it harder to get to sleep the following night at the usual hour.

You can also repay your sleep debt by napping—just don’t nap for too long or too late in the day, or you’ll further disturb your sleep cycle. And don’t try to make up for large sleep losses during the week by sleeping in on the weekend. “This is like trying to get fit or lose weight by doing all your exercising or dieting on Saturdays and Sundays.”

4. Avoid caffeine after 2:00 p.m. Caffeine has a half-life of six hours, which means that six hours after your last sip, half the caffeine is still in your body. This liquid stimulant can lead to a vicious cycle: “After a poor night’s sleep, you have no choice but to rely on more caffeine to get you through the next day. Then, when it’s time to go to bed, your heart is racing, you can’t sleep, you wake up exhausted in the morning, and you reach for more caffeine.”

5. Avoid alcohol three hours before bed. Alcohol may help you doze off, but it also causes you to wake up every 90 minutes, so throughout the night you’ll be continually shaken and stirred.

6. Exercise between 5:00 and 7:00 p.m. Avoid strenuous exercise within three hours of going to bed; exercise elevates core body temperature for five to six hours. In order to feel drowsy, body temperature needs to be dropping.

7. Keep your bedroom cool. The ideal sleeping temperature is 65 degrees Fahrenheit. A bedroom that’s too warm can induce nightmares. One that’s too cool keeps your body from fully relaxing because it’s trying to protect its core temperature.

8. Dim the lights. Bright light wakes you up. So avoid it before you go to sleep and if you wake up during the night.

9. Eject electronics. “This means no computers, TVs, iPads, iPods, or Blackberrys in the bedroom. They create distractions by reminding you of everything else you should be doing and act as secret stressors.”

10. Read for pleasure (nothing work related). Reading for 30 minutes cuts the time it takes to fall asleep in half.

11. Protect your privacy. Banish children and pets from spending the entire night in bed with you.

12. Wind down. Your bodyneeds a buffer between the day’s stress and the night’s rest.” A light snack, a warm bath or light exercise (for example, yoga poses) can all help you erase the day’s stress. If you toss and turn or wake up during the night and can’t fall back to sleep, get out of bed. “Do anything that is relaxing, moderately boring, or doesn’t require concentration. Usually it will take 15 to 20 minutes for your body to feel sleepy again, at which point you can return to the bedroom.”

Yeah, bed for sleep and sex only. ;;D

Use your bedroom for sleep and sex only | ScienceNordic

Sleeping Tips & Tricks - National Sleep Foundation

How to Sleep Better Tonight|For Sleep and Sex Only: 4 Ways to Eliminate Bedroom Distractions - Sleep - Health.com

Many, many more studies.

I hope you find a way to get to sleep, stay asleep and get restorative sleep.

Hugs!
 

Kurben

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:laugh:

Hi, sir!

:rofl: :rofl:

I understand.

1. Go to bed at the same time every night and wake up at the same time every morning. That includes weekends. By sticking to a schedule you’ll be significantly more alert than if you slept for the same total amount of time at varying hours during the week.

2. Sleep in one continuous block. So-called “fragmented sleep” causes daytime drowsiness, compromises learning, memory, productivity, and creativity. “In fact, six hours of continuous sleep are often more restorative than eight hours of fragmented sleep.”

3. Make up for lost sleep as soon as possible. Catch up by going to bed earlier rather than sleeping later. If you sleep later, it will make it harder to get to sleep the following night at the usual hour.

You can also repay your sleep debt by napping—just don’t nap for too long or too late in the day, or you’ll further disturb your sleep cycle. And don’t try to make up for large sleep losses during the week by sleeping in on the weekend. “This is like trying to get fit or lose weight by doing all your exercising or dieting on Saturdays and Sundays.”

4. Avoid caffeine after 2:00 p.m. Caffeine has a half-life of six hours, which means that six hours after your last sip, half the caffeine is still in your body. This liquid stimulant can lead to a vicious cycle: “After a poor night’s sleep, you have no choice but to rely on more caffeine to get you through the next day. Then, when it’s time to go to bed, your heart is racing, you can’t sleep, you wake up exhausted in the morning, and you reach for more caffeine.”

5. Avoid alcohol three hours before bed. Alcohol may help you doze off, but it also causes you to wake up every 90 minutes, so throughout the night you’ll be continually shaken and stirred.

6. Exercise between 5:00 and 7:00 p.m. Avoid strenuous exercise within three hours of going to bed; exercise elevates core body temperature for five to six hours. In order to feel drowsy, body temperature needs to be dropping.

7. Keep your bedroom cool. The ideal sleeping temperature is 65 degrees Fahrenheit. A bedroom that’s too warm can induce nightmares. One that’s too cool keeps your body from fully relaxing because it’s trying to protect its core temperature.

8. Dim the lights. Bright light wakes you up. So avoid it before you go to sleep and if you wake up during the night.

9. Eject electronics. “This means no computers, TVs, iPads, iPods, or Blackberrys in the bedroom. They create distractions by reminding you of everything else you should be doing and act as secret stressors.”

10. Read for pleasure (nothing work related). Reading for 30 minutes cuts the time it takes to fall asleep in half.

11. Protect your privacy. Banish children and pets from spending the entire night in bed with you.

12. Wind down. Your bodyneeds a buffer between the day’s stress and the night’s rest.” A light snack, a warm bath or light exercise (for example, yoga poses) can all help you erase the day’s stress. If you toss and turn or wake up during the night and can’t fall back to sleep, get out of bed. “Do anything that is relaxing, moderately boring, or doesn’t require concentration. Usually it will take 15 to 20 minutes for your body to feel sleepy again, at which point you can return to the bedroom.”

Yeah, bed for sleep and sex only. ;;D

Use your bedroom for sleep and sex only | ScienceNordic

Sleeping Tips & Tricks - National Sleep Foundation

How to Sleep Better Tonight|For Sleep and Sex Only: 4 Ways to Eliminate Bedroom Distractions - Sleep - Health.com

Many, many more studies.

I hope you find a way to get to sleep, stay asleep and get restorative sleep.

Hugs!
Seems like these studies represent perhaps a majority of humanity but do they take oddballs like me in consideration? I cant help but looking with some suspicion on these statistical studies since they tend to forget that people are very individual. What works on another can be poison to the next person. Sleep and sex only..... Pfui! They don't know what they are talking about, at least not when it comes to me. But some sound advice there anyway. Thanks for the wellwishing. I wonder what these studies would say about reading Stephen King before you turn out the light.....? Relaxing? Boring? Upsetting?
 

Sigmund

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What is up with Nyquil? I know that it contains some alcohol - but why does that stuff knock you out so fast you can hardly make it to bed? Or is that just me?

I have used for bad colds in the past.

It's the doxylamine succinate -antihistamine. The Dextromethorphan also causes sedation.

Stay away from OTC whenever possible. Continued use can cause all kinds of problems.
 

Sigmund

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Seems like these studies represent perhaps a majority of humanity but do they take oddballs like me in consideration? I cant help but looking with some suspicion on these statistical studies since they tend to forget that people are very individual. What works on another can be poison to the next person. Sleep and sex only..... Pfui! They don't know what they are talking about, at least not when it comes to me. But some sound advice there anyway. Thanks for the wellwishing. I wonder what these studies would say about reading Stephen King before you turn out the light.....? Relaxing? Boring? Upsetting?

:laugh:

I understand, sir!

When I hear people say, "I couldn't sleep last night so I started to read a book and fell right to sleep," it boggles my mind.

It was many a time when I would go to my study with a Stephen King book and before I knew it, my husband was at my door saying, "Babe, it 6am. Time to get ready for school and work." I stayed up all night reading!
 

Kurben

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:laugh:

I understand, sir!

When I hear people say, "I couldn't sleep last night so I started to read a book and fell right to sleep," it boggles my mind.

It was many a time when I would go to my study with a Stephen King book and before I knew it, my husband was at my door saying, "Babe, it 6am. Time to get ready for school and work." I stayed up all night reading!
Happened to me too.... :shh:
 

blunthead

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It's the doxylamine succinate -antihistamine. The Dextromethorphan also causes sedation.

Stay away from OTC whenever possible. Continued use can cause all kinds of problems.
I have to disagree with this, Siggy. It's way too general a statement. Benadryl is OTC and it helps most people get drowsy enough to make the difference. The other products I mentioned before don't have a history of serious side effects.
 

TheRedQueen

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I have used both Benadryl and NyQuil before, when I'm desperate for sleep, but I have to be VERY desperate before I go to those lengths. I'm more of a naturalist, and prefer homeopathic or herbal remedies to chemical ones. I've never taken actual sleeping pills, and don't think I ever will. The side effects I hear about with some of them...shudder.
 

Kurben

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I have used both Benadryl and NyQuil before, when I'm desperate for sleep, but I have to be VERY desperate before I go to those lengths. I'm more of a naturalist, and prefer homeopathic or herbal remedies to chemical ones. I've never taken actual sleeping pills, and don't think I ever will. The side effects I hear about with some of them...shudder.
I actually don't experience any sideeffects. While tea always makes me wanna pee.... Not good for sleep!!!
 
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I cannot take over the counter meds for sleep...I get restless legs. I take imovane once in a while which the doc gives me.

I get restless legs sometimes and can't fall asleep. I have no idea as to why this works - I discovered it accidently and I'm pretty sure there is no scientific reason as to why it works but... when my restless legs won't let me sleep, I get up and eat a couple slices of swiss cheese.
 

GNTLGNT

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I get restless legs sometimes and can't fall asleep. I have no idea as to why this works - I discovered it accidently and I'm pretty sure there is no scientific reason as to why it works but... when my restless legs won't let me sleep, I get up and eat a couple slices of swiss cheese.
...it's the wild mouse blood firing up in your innards....
 

17021jude

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Might sound strange...but if I allow my feet to dangle over the edge...something happens to make sleep easier. Maybe there really is something to "stretching out."
I have to do the same thing, I stick my feet off the side of the bed out from under the blankets...my man will ask sometimes why I do it, and I say it's so I can breathe, I think he thinks I'm joking but I also find that doing this makes me sleep better, and fall asleep faster.
 

Walter Oobleck

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I have to do the same thing, I stick my feet off the side of the bed out from under the blankets...my man will ask sometimes why I do it, and I say it's so I can breathe, I think he thinks I'm joking but I also find that doing this makes me sleep better, and fall asleep faster.

The other thing I do is raise my arms up over my head, like I'm surrendering? Can't stretch them out all the way 'cause of the head-board. Seems to help, too.
 

17021jude

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The other thing I do is raise my arms up over my head, like I'm surrendering? Can't stretch them out all the way 'cause of the head-board. Seems to help, too.
I am a side sleeper, with an arm tucked under the pillow. But we recently bought our selves a new bed....memory foam and also new memory foam pillows, we shut our door so our room stays cool to cold thru the winter, and we have black out shades over our windows and a towel over the glowing alarm clock. Must be dark and not too warm, we find this also helps us sleep better at night!