IDRIS ELBA, NO NO NO

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Cowboy

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I love watching people show up late for the party.

Chief, don't worry about it. You'll reach my stage of no longer caring about what's been done, and become resigned to the fact you'll have a much longer wait before any proper adaptation of The Dark Tower. If ever.

It really is a laughable affair if you scout around for production news on this. Hell, they don't even have a full cast yet, and they plan on pushing this out in less than a years time. That in itself speaks volumes. This is nothing more than hoping to make a few bucks on Kings work. It has nothing to do with the actual epic story and the millions of fans that surround it. They've been trying to do this for many years, but have never found a company willing to take the leap for such a monumental task. So in the end they settle on much, much less to get something pushed out the door.

Yeah. Green is correct. The whole issue is a dead horse, but that still doesn't mean I'm not going to kick that sonofab!tch every time I walk past it. ;)
Say true. With such a wonderful epic story like the DT series, we as fans expect something along the lines of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, if not something even better. It may turn out better than we expect but it will never receive the attention and care that we as Constant Readers believe that it should. Que Sera, Sera.
 

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Say true. With such a wonderful epic story like the DT series, we as fans expect something along the lines of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, if not something even better. It may turn out better than we expect but it will never receive the attention and care that we as Constant Readers believe that it should. Que Sera, Sera.

That is the problem; it will always be the problem. The truly great works of fiction can never be fully translated. We can look to Laozi who said, "The Tao that can be told, is not the eternal Tao." I know that sounds like a big leap, but it isn't. The experience we the reader get from a book is unique, perhaps a billion times more so than even our fingerprints. While we all share certain truths from the literal text, how we perceive them in our minds is slightly different. King himself talks about literature as being a unique type of telepathy in his book On Writing,
and demonstrates the effect by describing a white rabbit in a cage, on a table with red tablecloth, and a number painted on its flank. Even my cut to the bone summary invoked an image in our minds. We all had like elements but all of us pictured a different table, type of cage, breed of rabbit, and style of tablecloth. The particularly imaginative of us filled in a backdrop for the mentioned elements. Some might have put it in a lab. Some might have put it on a magician's stage.
You get the idea. The point is the moment a film tries to translate the text (define things utterly), it is 100% certain not to be the eternal Tao of the story that was in the book, at least not as each of us experienced it personally. All of us must settle. If the film is good enough, we accept it settling for the best of what we can get. Some people, lacking imagination in my biased opinion, actually will replace what they had in their own minds with the new stuff. If the film is bad we simply reject it. The best writers find that magical middle ground between describing too much and describing too little. They get that cadence and turn of word going which ignites our imagination and we do a lot of the work ourselves. It is like that good bartender or psychologist who gets you talking and resolving your own problems. Granted, writers are putting more into the mix (a lot more) but their secret weapon is our boundless imaginations as readers. The writer can get hold of a concept, light the spark and our eager minds set it racing along the floor following a line of gun powder like in westerns and old cartoons. Films can be great but they can never be greater than the meeting of two minds. The Tao that can be told, is not the eternal Tao.
 
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I'm a little late to the thread but will throw my hand in with the consensus. Elba was the wrong pick for more than one reason. I think the books are far too expensive to adapt to film. It's why Abrams bailed, but agreed to work on 11/22/63. Abrams recognized the directorial issues bringing the Dark Tower to film, and now we're seeing them. I'm not all the way against Elba, but so many dynamics of the original are going to have to be changed. My biggest fear is that at the end it won't be at all the Dark Tower series King fans have loved for so long. I'm hoping for the best, but it's not looking good so far...
 

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If Roland himself apparated by magic and got the role of Roland, there would still be people who would say he was aaaalllll wrong. But as stated above que sera sera. I'm still going to go see it. I'm buying the popcorn and drinking the lemonade.
Now, am I going to like it? I don't know. Will I love the popcorn? Yes I will and the lemonade too. Maybe some of those snowcap things too or good 'n plenty... if they still make them. Nachos too. Maybe, I'm not committed to the nachos.
So no matter what, it's not going to be a bust.
 

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If Roland himself apparated by magic and got the role of Roland, there would still be people who would say he was aaaalllll wrong. But as stated above que sera sera. I'm still going to go see it. I'm buying the popcorn and drinking the lemonade.
Now, am I going to like it? I don't know. Will I love the popcorn? Yes I will and the lemonade too. Maybe some of those snowcap things too or good 'n plenty... if they still make them. Nachos too. Maybe, I'm not committed to the nachos.
So no matter what, it's not going to be a bust.
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Well, if we've gone that far.
I vote for Jackie Chan in the role of Roland...
and Elton John to the role of a billy-bumbler.
Black Roland, this is the most sad news for fans of adequate Dark Tower cycle.
Where Eastwood and where the Elbа?
This is equivalent to, as if Queen Elizabeth played Whoopi Goldberg.
I'll hope to the end that black Roland, it's kind of stupid, bad joke.
Sorry for my English.
 

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Well, if we've gone that far.
I vote for Jackie Chan in the role of Roland...
and Elton John to the role of a billy-bumbler.
Black Roland, this is the most sad news for fans of adequate Dark Tower cycle.
Where Eastwood and where the Elbа?
This is equivalent to, as if Queen Elizabeth played Whoopi Goldberg.
I'll hope to the end that black Roland, it's kind of stupid, bad joke.
Sorry for my English.
You did just fine with your English.
 

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Well, if we've gone that far.
I vote for Jackie Chan in the role of Roland...
and Elton John to the role of a billy-bumbler.
Black Roland, this is the most sad news for fans of adequate Dark Tower cycle.
Where Eastwood and where the Elbа?
This is equivalent to, as if Queen Elizabeth played Whoopi Goldberg.
I'll hope to the end that black Roland, it's kind of stupid, bad joke.
Sorry for my English.
No problem with your English at all.
Queen Elizabeth is a real person, Roland Deschain is not.
 

Patricia A

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Ok, then Whoopi as Scarlett O'Hara.(With all due respect to Whoopi Goldberg and Idris Elba!)
I disagree, but one person's opinion is as valid as the next.
Scarlett was described as beautiful spoiled daughter of a plantation owner. Her physical features were described as a decidedly white person. To make her a black person would have skewed the historical/social aspect of the story. But hey, I have a fertile imagination, it might work on some very interesting if not bizarre level.
Roland Deschain is race-less really. His color has very little to nothing to do with the larger story. There is the Detta Walker hating white people part, but Detta Walker is capable of hating black people too, that could be easily worked around. Haters, which Detta clearly is, don't have to worry about color barriers, they can hate anyone.
 

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If it looks like a hero spaghetti Western, swims like a hero spaghetti Western, and quacks like a hero spaghetti Western, then it probably is a man is like a Clint Eastwood...well, or at Matthew McConaughey. The DuckEastwood test.


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I don't see the Dark Tower story as a spaghetti western. But I understand what you mean. If you can't see Roland as a black man, then you can't.
I simply don't have a problem with it.
There is no actor I can think of that fits my exact idea of what Roland looks like. That Roland only exists in my imagination. He's kind of a mix of Gregory Peck, Gary Cooper and just a touch of Clint Eastwood. But that's my personal Roland.
 

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Well, I've only read the first 2 and they didn't make it into my top ten King books so I'm not as emotionally invested as I am in say 11-22-63. (yes, I think the mini series kind of sucks) but there has to be a hundred actors who would be better cast as Roland than Elba. Anson Mount would have been about perfect. Josh Brolin, even a roughed up Christian Bale.

It boggles the mind why they do things like this.

The only person on earth that read any of the books and pictured Roland as a black guy has to be this casting director. Probably never even read one.
 
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Patricia A

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I understand about being emotionally invested in a story. Some people might not, because there is so much in life to be invested in that "stories" seem frivolous. It's not like your bills aren't going to be paid, or your family is going to kick you out of the house because someone took creative license with (or a battle axe to) a story from a book when they made a movie out of it.
The thing is, as King said, when he quoted another author (I don't remember which), about changing the story of a book for a movie, the book doesn't change. You still have your book on the shelf and no matter what they do in the movie based on it, the book won't change.
I stopped being bent out of shape about movie adaptations the moment that truth sunk in.
So far as Elba goes, he's a fantastic actor. He has the look of a gunslinger, he has the emotional range in his acting that will more than cover the character of Roland. Him being black, to me, adds a level of interest to him. I think it's a brilliant twist I would have never imagined to tell the truth. If this adaptation doesn't cut muster it isn't going to be because Elba can't pull off the role of Roland.
My personal Roland isn't a black man, but I'm not making a movie, someone else is and I'm going to trust their vision. I think it's exciting to see a movie made from one of my all time favorite stories, pulled from someone else's imagination. Stephen King is in on producing this project which means to me, that if it's okay with the constant author, it's okay with me.
In the end, I hope I like what they do. If I don't, my car won't break down, my cats won't go bald and there will still be water if God wills it.