The Walking Dead ***please use SPOILER tags***

[nate_watkins]

I can't remember

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if Carol ever even got to see the Governor. Was she back at the prison the whole time they were dealing with him? If so, I could see her meeting up with the Govs band of people and maybe falling in with them not knowing. That might put her in a position to do something about his deranged arse!

Maybe the

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eyepatch might trigger a lightbulb in her head. I don't know how much she knew about his appearance. Who knows what Martinez might tell the women and girl about him. A teaser for the next episode showed Martinez saying he was in charge now... I can't imagine he trusts the governor much.

 

[skimom2]

Maybe the

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eyepatch might trigger a lightbulb in her head. I don't know how much she knew about his appearance. Who knows what Martinez might tell the women and girl about him. A teaser for the next episode showed Martinez saying he was in charge now... I can't imagine he trusts the governor much.

She never saw him, but I'd bet she heard descriptions. I'm ready to see what Rick is up to--hope we see something next epi. Still itching to see

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a zombie baby. I keep thinking that might be on the last epi before the break--only two more to go, and then it's over until Feb!

 

[no bounce no play]

I can't remember

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if Carol ever even got to see the Governor. Was she back at the prison the whole time they were dealing with him? If so, I could see her meeting up with the Govs band of people and maybe falling in with them not knowing. That might put her in a position to do something about his deranged arse!

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or... the Gov and Carol could become the zombie apocalypse version of Bonnie and Clyde lol

 

[Narvic]

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or... the Gov and Carol could become the zombie apocalypse version of Bonnie and Clyde lol

he burned the old photo....she got rid of the anniversary watch

 

[Lepplady]

The Governor might be

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honestly trying to make a fresh start, but people can't change who they are. He was a sadistic shmuck before, and it won't be long before he reverts to type. And he'll feel perfectly justified. Sociopaths always do.

I like the comparison between the Governor and Carol. But

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the same rule applies. We can't change who we are. I think Carol has done the things she's done because she's overcompensating for being a battered wife. Like Jodie Foster in The Brave One. A victim goes overboard being violent to compensate for being a victim. And in Carol's case, it's under apocalyptic circumstances. Plus, she hasn't have a minute to breathe, let alone grieve for her daughter. I think she'll calm down and be the good person she is at heart once she comes to grips with surviving domestic violence and properly mourns Sofia. What she needs is a good cry.

I'm still waiting for

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Sam to show up. I hope Carol's the one that finds him.

And I hope that

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Michonne is the one that gets to kill the Governor. She's earned it. Though, they'll probably do some soul searching bit where she realizes she doesn't HAVE to kill him, blah, blah. We'll see.

AND

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Let's not forget, we haven't seen the chat between Rick and Daryl about Carol getting dumped. THAT'S what I'm waiting for.

 

[Ebdim9th]

In the Talking Dead, David Morrissey gave his current view, as far as the scripts he's seen as of yet, of the Governor's state of mind:

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First I have to point out Merle's drastic change from the kind of sadistic schmuck he also was before the Governor killed him. As Charles Manson was a mass murder in that he ordered the deaths of people knowing his followers would obey him without question, so, to use a biblical example, Paul was a mass murderer who ordered the deaths of a large number of believers in Christ before he met the Man Himself on the road to Damascus. The point of that parable and it's echo in Merle is that there is a possibility of redemption even for mass murderers. Morrissey said that the Governor sat at the fire waiting for the zombie to kill him because he was in a state of shock and yes, terminal remorse over having gunned down so many of his followers in cold blood. He even, speaking of himself as another person, mentioned how badly the leader of Woodbury screwed up. He is waging a war inside himself between who he was, and who he wants to be now. Martinez abandoned him because he now considered the him to be dead weight and useless. It was even speculated that he might make some deal with Rick to keep his new family safe from his old associates. He still might revert to form, but as with Merle, he is being presented with a chance for an about-face by the show's writers.

 

[Lepplady]

Paul might have

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ordered the deaths of Christians "following orders" until he saw the light, but did he torture them himself, and enjoy the act? I doubt it. The Governor did. His personal acts of cruelty had nothing to do with the greater good of his people, or following orders. Hell, he MADE the orders. He liked it, plain and simple.
As for Merle, he had a mean streak and he was a bully. Sure. He was a good guy at heart who was raised as a racist and was pissed off that he got abandoned. He followed the Governor's orders, absolving himself of the responsibility of guilt, sure. But only for so long, and only until it became REAL. Daryl knew he was a good guy deep down. And when presented with the real choice, Merle found that out too. Good people can do bad things. And bad people can do good things. But, in the end, those true colors always show through.

 

[Ebdim9th]

Don't know if this is spoiler-worthy as a continuation, but:

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"The human heart is desperately wicked and full of darkness, who can know it?" I think it's very possible Saul-who-became-Paul did enjoy the suffering he inflicted on the Christians he feared and despised. I think that was the whole point of the 'parable'. I think, at one point, like drawing like, Merle was every bit as bad as the Governor. We don't see everything he did, but his behavior toward Glen and Maggie was every bit as sadistic and atrocious as the Governor's. Not to say though, that by the show's standards, that the Governor isn't still too far gone to come back.

 

[Narvic]

Don't know if this is spoiler-worthy as a continuation, but:

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"The human heart is desperately wicked and full of darkness, who can know it?" I think it's very possible Saul-who-became-Paul did enjoy the suffering he inflicted on the Christians he feared and despised. I think that was the whole point of the 'parable'. I think, at one point, like drawing like, Merle was every bit as bad as the Governor. We don't see everything he did, but his behavior toward Glen and Maggie was every bit as sadistic and atrocious as the Governor's. Not to say though, that by the show's standards, that the Governor isn't still too far gone to come back.

Interesting post. Thanks for that!

 

[skimom2]

Paul might have

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ordered the deaths of Christians "following orders" until he saw the light, but did he torture them himself, and enjoy the act? I doubt it. The Governor did. His personal acts of cruelty had nothing to do with the greater good of his people, or following orders. Hell, he MADE the orders. He liked it, plain and simple.
As for Merle, he had a mean streak and he was a bully. Sure. He was a good guy at heart who was raised as a racist and was pissed off that he got abandoned. He followed the Governor's orders, absolving himself of the responsibility of guilt, sure. But only for so long, and only until it became REAL. Daryl knew he was a good guy deep down. And when presented with the real choice, Merle found that out too. Good people can do bad things. And bad people can do good things. But, in the end, those true colors always show through.

I don't give Merle as much credit as you do, LL. In my mind, he's a vicious little (Very Bad Word), beyond redemption, EXCEPT when it came to Daryl. He did love his brother. He couldn't give a damn what happened to anyone else. And there we have another example of 'Kingsianism"--a character who is thoroughly human; the 'serial killer who [can] help a little old lady cross the street'.

 

[Lepplady]

I'm only going by what I saw. With Maggie and Glen, Merle was following orders, and so absolved himself of guilt. Even the guilt of enjoying it.
Let's not forget that it was only Merle and Michonne in the car when he let her go. That had nothing to do with Daryl. He didn't have to let her go. And his assault on the Governor's men, that was all Merle.
By contrast,

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the Governor cares about nobody but himself. If he really loved his little girl, he would have let her go before he could stand to see her exist like that. Likewise, with these two women and the little girl, he's all about his own gratification. He wants the girl for his own to replace his daughter, and (though she was a willing participant) he used the sister for his own pleasure while the other woman and the child slept right next to them. That creeped me out. Go into the cab or under the truck, man.

It's possible that the Governor will commit one final, selfless act in the end, but I don't think he's anywhere near that yet.

 

[Narvic]

I never saw Merle as being the same level of evil that the Governor is...to me Merle was someone who'd been basically a criminal before the zombie apocalypse and he stayed that way afterwards. But, just a garden variety criminal type not so much someone with a plan, just a man who does whatever the heck he feels like. You felt worse for Darryl when he met his end, than you did for Merle.

 

[AnnaMarie]

Paul might have

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ordered the deaths of Christians "following orders" until he saw the light, but did he torture them himself, and enjoy the act? I doubt it. The Governor did. His personal acts of cruelty had nothing to do with the greater good of his people, or following orders. Hell, he MADE the orders. He liked it, plain and simple.
As for Merle, he had a mean streak and he was a bully. Sure. He was a good guy at heart who was raised as a racist and was pissed off that he got abandoned. He followed the Governor's orders, absolving himself of the responsibility of guilt, sure. But only for so long, and only until it became REAL. Daryl knew he was a good guy deep down. And when presented with the real choice, Merle found that out too. Good people can do bad things. And bad people can do good things. But, in the end, those true colors always show through.

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The governor is sick. It isn't just about good or bad....his mind is ill. He may have been fine before it all began and snapped. That's my guess.

 

[Narvic]

just gotta throw this out there - wouldn't it be a good idea to get to the coast and maybe load up a boat with supplies and get to some little island? even if there were walkers, they could put em down and the island might offer a place of relative safety after that?

 

[Lepplady]

I never saw Merle as being the same level of evil that the Governor is...to me Merle was someone who'd been basically a criminal before the zombie apocalypse and he stayed that way afterwards. But, just a garden variety criminal type not so much someone with a plan, just a man who does whatever the heck he feels like. You felt worse for Darryl when he met his end, than you did for Merle.

That is true. I felt horrible for Daryl. Didn't even think about it that way until you mentioned it.

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The governor is sick. It isn't just about good or bad....his mind is ill. He may have been fine before it all began and snapped. That's my guess.

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Time will tell if he reverts to type or if he's truly turned over a new leaf.
Goes to show, though, that the writers are doing something right, to inspire such debate about it.

 

[skimom2]

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Time will tell if he reverts to type or if he's truly turned over a new leaf.
Goes to show, though, that the writers are doing something right, to inspire such debate about it.

I agree, and that's exactly what Kirkman had in mind when writing the graphic novels. In the author's note, he says that point isn't zombie devastation, but how ordinary people act in extraordinary circumstances. He was/is interested in how our minds work and what we do under stress.

This season is SO much better than last!

 

[arista]

I am going to say that time will tell indeed. I can't get over what he did Andrea, Glenn or Maggie.

 

[Lepplady]

SERIOUS spoiler ahead:
'The Walking Dead' Exclusive Pic Teases Major Comic Book Moment
David Morrissey's Governor gets a new ride in exclusive 'Dead Weight' Pic

If you're worried about huge spoilers, not just for Sunday's episode of "The Walking Dead," but for an iconic scene from the comics that may be coming up soon, do not read on.

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We're serious: SPOILERS from this point forward.

If you're still here, AMC has provided us with a sneak peak pic of The Governor (David Morrissey) in a quiet, reflective moment during "Dead Weight," the episode of "The Walking Dead" broadcast this Sunday, November 24.

But what most interests us, and will interest fans of the comic? What's next to The Governor in the picture.



Those certainly seem to be tire treads for a tank, don't they? In the comics, the villain's most iconic scene is when he rolled up to the prison, Rick Grimes' safehouse, riding in a tank looking for vengeance on Grimes and friends. Not only does the tank lead to some massive destruction, but in the comics there's also major main character deaths that follow. The TV show has shown willingness to change things up in the past, of course. But as Chekhov said, if you introduce a tank in the first act...

Also of interest, Morrissey's body language in the picture. As we saw in "Live Bait," The Governor is trying to start a new, possibly less violent life after completely screwing up the town of Woodbury. Is he feeling reluctant about driving a tank up to the prison to kill Rick and the other survivors? Has he been forced into the deed? Or is he just steeling himself for the mayhem he's about to cause?

Either way, it looks like we're headed to the epic, iconic confrontation that fans have been begging for since The Governor's introduction last season.

Here's the official info on the episode, which airs Sunday at 9 p.m. ET:

The Walking Dead
Season 4, Episode 7: "Dead Weight"
Airs this Sunday, November 24 at 9pm ET

A new and scary chapter is unfolding at a camp outside the prison. Will peace be attainable with the addition of new members?

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Looks like time might tell us what the Governor's all about sooner than later.

 

[skimom2]

Well, there are only two epis to go before the break (I think), so they'll be action-packed In the comics, the ones who died

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are mostly gone already

, so I wonder who they'll hit for this one?

 

[Narvic]

I am waiting to read your ladies posts for now! I hate knowing what is gonna happen. @Lepplady, @skimom2