Article Regarding: Guns (an Essay By Stephen King)

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hossenpepper

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Haha!.....I'm not a chicken......and I think that I might have been slightly insulted, apparently just because I'm a member here.....but to be fair, I'm going back to read the previous postings in their entirety......so I can be certain.
Really? i didn;t see that maybe or forgot?

You are not just a "member" here!! You are Sundrop, our resident daisy and sunbeam! The crucial nature of your role here cannot be exaggerated. :)

I am angling for a free hair cut, for the record.
 
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Anyone interested in steering this to something useful?
Who here is under the impression that we don't have background checks for firearms purchase?
Are you counting the loopholes for private sales and gun shows because the majority of states do not require background checks for those.
 
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Really? i didn;t see that maybe or forgot?

You are not just a "member" here!! You are Sundrop, our resident daisy and sunbeam! The crucial nature of your role here cannot be exaggerated. :)

I am angling for a free hair cut, for the record.

It was just a post that struck me wrong......but I haven't read the entire thread yet, so I want to be fair. If I'm wrong, I will let you know.

I'll give you a free haircut.....all you have to do is make it to Boone!
 
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I know that. I just said that even if we did go that route, there would be 10's of millions of firearms still available on the black market



So you are not in favor of banning semi-autos and limiting magazine capacity?

You do understand that we already have a background check system for retail purchase of firearms right?

FBI — National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Operations 2013

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year

Venezuela 50.90
Uruguay 14.01
Swaziland 37.16
South Africa 21.51
Mexico 11.17
Jamaica 39.74
Honduras 64.8
Guatemala 36.38
El Salvador 46.85
Colombia 28.14
Brazil 19.03

United States 10.30

Nearly every country you're listing above has huge problems with drug cartels and/or terrorist groups. This is not a compare apples to apples comparison with the United States. Let's talk about Canada, Australia, UK, etc. where there is a fair comparison.

I did not say I am not in favor of banning semi-autos or limiting magazine capacity. I personally would have no problem with doing that. I only mentioned the background checks as one example.

Tens of millions. Really? The gun manufacturers must be ecstatic.
 
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hossenpepper

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It was just a post that struck me wrong......but I haven't read the entire thread yet, so I want to be fair. If I'm wrong, I will let you know.

I'll give you a free haircut.....all you have to do is make it to Boone!
I know, I know. One day it will happen. You are always welcome to shake the winter blues each year and come sit by the pool, ya know!
 
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Nearly every country you're listing above has huge problems with drug cartels and/or terrorist groups. This is not a compare apples to apples comparison with the United States. Let's talk about Canada, Australia, UK, etc. where there is a fair comparison.

I did not say I am not in favor of banning semi-autos or limiting magazine capacity. I personally would have no problem with doing that. I only mentioned the background checks as one example.

Tens of millions. Really? The gun manufacturers must be ecstatic.
Correct. And if you remove these countries you're left with the fact that for a stable, westernized nation, we have more guns than anyone by far and still rank high in gun violence. Keep in mind also that not everyone that gets shot dies, so gun murders are not an accurate tracker of the true level of violence involving a gun is.

The true irony of that list is the right wing hero Reagan played the central role in destabilizing several of those countries, which has led to the gang related violence that drives those numbers up.
 
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hossenpepper

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HELL FREEZES OVER! The Washington Post prints a positive gun article regarding Ivy League and other top colleges.

Gun industry’s helping hand triggers a surge in college shooting teams - The Washington Post

(and be sure to read the comments sections)
OMG!! So our guns are safe and the NRA and ilk are all full of sh!t? Great news (which I already knew).

Next false outrage issue please. This one got stale over a year ago when the thread died the first time (and the neocons insulted SK and called him a hypocrite, etc., just like what happened again in the thread's revival).
 

Sundrop

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It's not like you couldn't find me if you wanted to.
It's funny that you said that.....
Our salon is interviewing a guy who currently lives in Florida. I searched his name on facebook, and there were several matches....but one had you listed as a mutual friend. It wasn't our guy, but I thought it was an odd coincidence.

And, you're right.....I can find you. Same as you could find me!!
 

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Nearly every country you're listing above has huge problems with drug cartels and/or terrorist groups. This is not a compare apples to apples comparison with the United States. Let's talk about Canada, Australia, UK, etc. where there is a fair comparison.

Once you start qualifying things, we can do that here as well. Where do you think the majority of US gun crime comes from if not the drug cartel trade?

I don't believe comparison to Canada UK etc is fair either, but that's Ok , we can disagree.

If we never had firearm ownership here in the first place we would have lower gun crime but I believe that genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in.
 

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Are you counting the loopholes for private sales and gun shows because the majority of states do not require background checks for those.


If I am correct in assuming that you have never been to a gun show, you wouldn't know that the vast majority of gun sales there are subject to background checks because the vendors are almost entirely FFL holders.

Yeah it probably happens occasionally, but I have never seen someone in a trench coat say "Pssst, Hey buddy, wanna buy a no background check gun?"

A universal background check is not something I oppose in theory, but the devil is in the details isn't it?

I have gone over it a hundred times since the democrats claimed that there would be no gun registration and you could still hand down guns to family members/friends without a background check, and I simply cannot see how there can be an effective universal background check without federal registration of all privately owned firearms, which I do oppose, strenuously.
 

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Once you start qualifying things, we can do that here as well. Where do you think the majority of US gun crime comes from if not the drug cartel trade?

I don't believe comparison to Canada UK etc is fair either, but that's Ok , we can disagree.

If we never had firearm ownership here in the first place we would have lower gun crime but I believe that genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in.

Cite your source although that may be difficult to do since the NRA pretty much has made it impossible to keep track of that type of information. As I recall none of the murders that prompted the essay were as a result of guns purchased from the drug cartel trade.

I also just noticed that the countries you listed did not state whether there were any gun control laws in place; it's simply a list of countries by firearm-related deaths which you were using as an argument to say that gun control does not reduce those types of deaths. I haven't had a chance to go through the entire list to see which ones do. Did you?
 

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Yeah and?

Doesn't mean it glorified (endorsed) anything. It was a story that included violence as part of the story. The glorification took place in your head. The next guy could see it as an argument against glorified violence or an expression of how it destroys society. So many ways a piece of art can be taken. But the true test of the intent is the comment of the author. Which we've now gotten from a trusted source and thus declared your PREMISE wrong.
You didn’t ask the source the one honest question. But it was a rhetorical question and I didn’t expect a response from the source, as it could potentially be used by King’s detractors, and I wouldn’t want that.
 

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If I am correct in assuming that you have never been to a gun show, you wouldn't know that the vast majority of gun sales there are subject to background checks because the vendors are almost entirely FFL holders.

Yeah it probably happens occasionally, but I have never seen someone in a trench coat say "Pssst, Hey buddy, wanna buy a no background check gun?"

A universal background check is not something I oppose in theory, but the devil is in the details isn't it?

I have gone over it a hundred times since the democrats claimed that there would be no gun registration and you could still hand down guns to family members/friends without a background check, and I simply cannot see how there can be an effective universal background check without federal registration of all privately owned firearms, which I do oppose, strenuously.
Then what is the problem with making that an actual law to make sure that all dealers comply?
 

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You didn’t ask the source the one honest question. But it was a rhetorical question and I didn’t expect a response from the source, as it could potentially be used by King’s detractors, and I wouldn’t want that.
Which was what?