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Grandpa

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The term "assault rifle" makes sense to me. Whether it does to anyone else is their issue.

When I was in the Marines, I practiced with an assault rifle. It wasn't a hunting rifle, although I could've hunted with it. It wasn't a target range rifle, although I shot it on a target range. It was definitely not a sniper rifle, although I could put rounds in center mass pretty consistently at 500 yards. It's a rifle whose primary purpose is to rip holes in other human beings.

That, to me, makes an M-16, M-4, AK-47, whatever, an assault rifle, as opposed to a hunting rifle or target rifle or sniper rifle. It's not really anything to get upset about.
 

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It's not really anything to get upset about.

It is when the term is used to deceive and inflame people.

Assault rifle by definition has fully automatic capability. Gun ban advocates have deliberately misused the public's confusion to imply that they are banning machine guns.

Back in the 90's there was a Peter Jennings piece called "America the Violent" advocating a ban on semiautomatic sporting firearms. The opening scene showed people firing fully automatic Uzi sub machine guns. Nowhere, did they disclaim that those types were already unavailable to civilians or mention the difference.
 
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I suspect "antipersonnel rifle" would be objected to as well, but when it comes to M-16s and AKs, that's the reality of it and their purpose. When it comes to automatics, something like the AR-15 is a detuned semiauto M-16 that, I'm told, is readily convertible to fully automatic. I haven't explored it to find out. I don't have the interest.

I'm not arguing for the antigun lobby. The issue for me is resolved. In exchange for the freedom to own firearms, we will endure a very high death rate from those firearms. That's the bargain we made with ourselves, and it's not going to go away.
 
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hossenpepper

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No offense to the community meant if I don't engage some here, but I have already identified some people with whom I believe no good will come from interaction over political issues.
Then why discuss them in an open forum at all? Do you think you are going to say or hear something you haven't before? Beyond restating common takes, the point of open debate is to analyze the reasoning. God forbid you might be wrong about something and have it exposed. How would you live then?

Best advice is to stay out of Hot Topics, probably. The fly in, no debate crap some people do here is childish. besides, your mind is made up, so what's the point? You won't gain any new insight from those who don't agree with you. You've already predetermined that.
 
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M&P15

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I suspect "antipersonnel rifle" would be objected to as well, but when it comes to M-16s and AKs, that's the reality of it and their purpose. When it comes to automatics, something like the AR-15 is a detuned semiauto M-16 that, I'm told, is readily convertible to fully automatic. I haven't explored it to find out. I don't have the interest.
i think you're misinformed. While a gunsmith might be able to convert one, the layman certainly couldn't and good luck finding a gunsmith to do it.

The purpose of all guns is to fire a projectile. A hunting rifle could as easily be called a sniper rifle.
 
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i think you're misinformed. While a gunsmith might be able to convert one, the layman certainly couldn't and good luck finding a gunsmith to do it.

The purpose of all guns is to fire a projectile. A hunting rifle could as easily be called a sniper rifle.

The average layman does not feel the need to carry an M16 while out shopping for cookies. (Just saying.)
 

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The average layman does not feel the need to carry an M16 while out shopping for cookies. (Just saying.)
Oh and those idiots who carry rifles into restaurants, presumably to make a point, I think they just hurt the cause.
 
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hossenpepper

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And now more fuel added to the fire...
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Obama's move to ban AR-15 ammo is being shot down by House lawmakers - Washington Times
OK, so on this topic, my understanding is that the ammo in question are armor piercing and can be fired in newer pistols. In other words a "newer" development for this cartridge. I don;t own or know a ton about AR-15s from this perspective, but can they not fire any other types of ammo? Doesn't the fact that these can now be fired via easily concealed handgun present a situation where a pre-emptive law might be warranted in order to protect LEOs, veen though there are currently no recorded cases of this happening?

But again, if the AR-15 can fire other ammo, why the outrage? Well beyond "don't tell me what to do" or "this is an Obama gun conspiracy", that is. Anyone got more info?
 
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OK, so on this topic, my understanding is that the ammo in question are armor piercing and can be fired in newer pistols. In other words a "newer" development for this cartridge. I don;t own or know a ton about AR-15s from this perspective, but can they not fire any other types of ammo? Doesn't the fact that these can now be fired via easily concealed handgun present a situation where a pre-emptive law might be warranted in order to protect LEOs, veen though there are currently no recorded cases of this happening?

But again, if the AR-15 can fire other ammo, why the outrage? Well beyond "don't tell me what to do" or "this is an Obama gun conspiracy", that is. Anyone got more info?
Best Ammo For AR15 - User Voted Top Ammunition For AR15
 
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AnnaMarie

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LOL I don't know anyone who does and an M16 is the non-civilian fully auto one.

Not the picture I was looking for. But it will suffice. I don't know if it's an M16. But I do know it's a big freaking gun to protect his cookies.
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My point (and I do actually have one) is that the average layman is not the only people who live in your country.
 

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Oh and those idiots who carry rifles into restaurants, presumably to make a point, I think they just hurt the cause.

I agree. However, when you fight for rights....you are fighting for their rights. Assuming you are fighting for the right to such weapons. I think some people fight for the right to carry/have a hand gun, and oppose some other weapons. There are more than two sides to this issue.

Really, there must be about 10 or more sides.