Discussion: Fishhead by Irving S. Cobb

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You might find this interesting about said author. Seems he later turned to humor instead of horror.

Cobb is remembered best for his humorous stories of Kentucky and is part of the American literary regionalism school. These stories were first collected in the book Old Judge Priest (1915), whose title character was based on a prominent West Kentucky judge named William Pitman Bishop. Writer Joel Harris wrote of these tales, "Cobb created a South peopled with honorable citizens, charming eccentrics, and loyal, subservient blacks, but at their best the Judge Priest stories are dramatic and compelling, using a wealth of precisely rendered detail to evoke a powerful mood."[3] Among his other books are the humorous Speaking of Operations (1916), and anti-prohibition ode to bourbon, Red Likker(1929).
Cobb also wrote short stories in the horror genre, such as "Fishhead" (1911) and "The Unbroken Chain" (1923). "Fishhead" has been cited as an inspiration for H. P. Lovecraft's The Shadow Over Innsmouth, while "The Unbroken Chain" was a model for Lovecraft's "The Rats in the Walls".[11] The former was described by Lovecraft as "banefully effective in its portrayal of unnatural affinities between a hybrid idiot and the strange fish of an isolated lake" in his essay Supernatural Horror in Literature.[12]
 

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He mostly was left to himself and the town kept their distance. Some feared him. The two guys who try to kill him were doing it out of spite and hatred. It had to be racially motivated given their use of the n-word (sorry about that, btw).

I definitely think the story was at least partially about racial intolerance.
 

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Yeah, but Joel (the first one) got pulled under. It says, Something gripped him- some great, sinewy, unseen thing gripped him fast by the thigh, crushing down on his flesh."

Jake was then eaten by the fish. I'm guessing the fish got them both?
That is what made me think the weeds, sinewy...have you ever been tangled up in weeds at a lake? It is a freaky situation. :biggrin2: I was thinking along the lines of like quicksand, the more you struggle, the faster you sink kind of thing.

But, I don't know. You are probably right! The catfish definitely had him some snacks off of both of the brothers. :laugh:
 

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Yeah, but Joel (the first one) got pulled under. It says, "Something gripped him- some great, sinewy, unseen thing gripped him fast by the thigh, crushing down on his flesh."

Jake was then eaten by the fish. I'm guessing the fish got them both?

Thanks, Cat. Yw
The word sinewy reminded me of seaweeds. They have a tendency to entangle and "pull" down. But, the word crushing down on his flesh would be more toward the mouth of the fish. Hmmmm In the minds eye.
 

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The word sinewy reminded me of seaweeds. They have a tendency to entangle and "pull" down. But, the word crushing down on his flesh would be more toward the mouth of the fish. Hmmmm In the minds eye.
I suppose it's open to two interpretations. I immediately thought it was the fish because of the arc of the story, the strike of vengeance/comeuppance. I see both sides.
 

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I'm interested in searching for his humorous stories, now. Thanks Spidey for info. Maybe he had a Twain-streak in his later writing.

If someone wants to volunteer for next week's story, that'd be great. I can nominate someone but I don't want to name a person who recently did it. Joe, do you want to have another go? Morgan? Bueller? Anyone? ;)
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I'm interested in searching for his humorous stories, now. Thanks Spidey for info. Maybe he had a Twain-streak in his later writing.

If someone wants to volunteer for next week's story, that'd be great. I can nominate someone but I don't want to name a person who recently did it. Joe, do you want to have another go? Morgan? Bueller? Anyone? ;)
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I have to be honest. I don't know what's going on. Last thing I remember AchtungBaby was starting a reading group covering Nightmares & Dreamscapes (?) again. Now there are discussions about different authors and stories and I'm confused. I must've missed the memo. LOL :umm:
 

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I have to be honest. I don't know what's going on. Last thing I remember AchtungBaby was starting a reading group covering Nightmares & Dreamscapes (?) again. Now there are discussions about different authors and stories and I'm confused. I must've missed the memo. LOL :umm:
Yeah, try to catch up, Morgan. This ain't One Life To Live. You miss one episode around here and you're lost in Gatlin. :D
 

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I am obviously lost in the rows, the rift, a thinny...:upside:
I can't find the post, but I believe Cody posted something about a time out for that project. Forgive if I am wrong.

Fljoe started a regular reading group a few weeks back. We started with SK short stories, and as time went on, Joe suggested others have an opportunity to pick any author. Thus, the group has read both SK and others in the past week.

As of now-- the next person simply picks a book/ short story-- something readable in one week-- and on Wednesday ( volunteer picks a time ) we discuss. The thread is always open for further discussions.

I think Doc was asking if you might like to lead /pick for next Wednesday.
 

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I can't find the post, but I believe Cody posted something about a time out for that project. Forgive if I am wrong.

Fljoe started a regular reading group a few weeks back. We started with SK short stories, and as time went on, Joe suggested others have an opportunity to pick any author. Thus, the group has read both SK and others in the past week.

As of now-- the next person simply picks a book/ short story-- something readable in one week-- and on Wednesday ( volunteer picks a time ) we discuss. The thread is always open for further discussions.

I think Doc was asking if you might like to lead /pick for next Wednesday.
Thanks Spidey! I will be in the process of moving next week, so it isn't the best time. Maybe I can participate in the future.
 

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These are the highlights/notes:

the trees along its shore are mud colored clear up to their lower limbs after the spring floods, when the dried sediment covers their trunks with a thick, scrofulous-looking coat. The entire description of the area is so vivid!

But the bodies of the two Baxters were so marred and mauled that the Reelfooters buried them together on the bank without ever knowing which might be Jake's and which might be Joel's. The stark difference between Fishead's lavish descriptive treatment and the Baxter brothers' near-anonymity is pretty stark.

Not one wasted word. The story gets you in and out surprisingly fast. It's creepy. I also agree that there's a racism undercurrent at play. Fishhead is so different and his kin are as well, which parallels some thinking about race.. I think the fish got those Baxter boys and chewed 'em up real good, too. Deservedly so.

I have actually gone ahead in the book and read the next 2 stories. Cobb injects a lot of dark humor in these stories, mixing up his two strengths, I think. Of the two, I liked The Gallowsmith better. Cobb goes into SK-ish detail ;)
 

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These are the highlights/notes:

the trees along its shore are mud colored clear up to their lower limbs after the spring floods, when the dried sediment covers their trunks with a thick, scrofulous-looking coat. The entire description of the area is so vivid!

But the bodies of the two Baxters were so marred and mauled that the Reelfooters buried them together on the bank without ever knowing which might be Jake's and which might be Joel's. The stark difference between Fishead's lavish descriptive treatment and the Baxter brothers' near-anonymity is pretty stark.

Not one wasted word. The story gets you in and out surprisingly fast. It's creepy. I also agree that there's a racism undercurrent at play. Fishhead is so different and his kin are as well, which parallels some thinking about race.. I think the fish got those Baxter boys and chewed 'em up real good, too. Deservedly so.

I have actually gone ahead in the book and read the next 2 stories. Cobb injects a lot of dark humor in these stories, mixing up his two strengths, I think. Of the two, I liked The Gallowsmith better. Cobb goes into SK-ish detail ;)
The first quote you shared was one I'd noted as well. I even had to look up scrofulous because my Kindle didn't know the definition. I could only find scrofula. Must be outdated and apparently not in common usage. I plan on reading the second story soon. Thanks for sharing your notes.