I understand that people feel passionately about this, but that's a bit much, and likely to insult people.
Elba's Casting CONFIRMED?!!
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I understand that people feel passionately about this, but that's a bit much, and likely to insult people.
Robert Gray
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Thank you. It was an interesting read, but not information I feel is concrete enough to even get upset over yet. At this point, no change they make would surprise me, but I'm going to wait to get really irritated about the stuff released in the trades first. What disturbs me more is the lack of conversation about the casting of certain characters entirely.
"The fans want us to make it as a direct translation of the books somehow"
"Oh yeah, well **** um, I just renamed Jake"
"But Sir"
"Bring me a line and get out of my office"
"Oh yeah, well **** um, I just renamed Jake"
"But Sir"
"Bring me a line and get out of my office"
On the page linked to, the first post has a link on the bottom of it. Did you click on it?
Robert Gray
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No, but I have now. Disconcerting to say the least. If that isn't hogwash it means they have ENTIRELY rewritten the story. They don't want Roland to seem unsympathetic in regards to Jake. They are basically just creating a new story. In such a story, the old characters have little to no purchase whatsoever. It is clear they are arranging a new way for him to get to Midworld which would preclude massive amounts of events from The Drawing of the Three and The Wastelands. I'm disgusted, but then again I never had much hope for it. My view remains the same. I won't see it unless some incredible reviews come back from people here who have. I will get around to it if/when it shows up on Netflix and probably only if I have nothing better to watch.
Spoiler alert: this whole project is spoiled.
I wonder if Idris will lose weight for the role? To get that skinny Clint look.
One good thing about Idris is he can handle dark material proved in Luther.
If its happening this way we may as well make the most of it.
Interesting that it is at Sony, a game series could be possible in the right hands. Action/RPG. I guess that would be a different deal though if that ever happened. Hideo Kojima is also making waves with Sony at the moment. If Sai King ever wanted a game Director for a series like this, Hideo is the man. Hes unrivaled in gaming.
One good thing about Idris is he can handle dark material proved in Luther.
If its happening this way we may as well make the most of it.
Interesting that it is at Sony, a game series could be possible in the right hands. Action/RPG. I guess that would be a different deal though if that ever happened. Hideo Kojima is also making waves with Sony at the moment. If Sai King ever wanted a game Director for a series like this, Hideo is the man. Hes unrivaled in gaming.
Game rights are already in the rights option but if they go that route, it most likely wouldn't be Steve who would make the decision about who would lead that project.
Actually... Guillermo del Toro and Norman Reedus want to work with Hideo, now hes free from the grips on Konami and the cancelled Silent Hills. They still have a big horror game in um I think. I'd love to see Sai King work with them to on a project.
Oh wow, that's very interesting. It really wouldn't surprise me if they do make a game, or rather a series of games. Games wise they've been making a lot of good decisions lately, so there's some hope of a decent possible project.
One thing we have to be grateful for is now this thing is actually happening, after all the years of waiting. Its something.
Robert Gray
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The problem is I don't see a 'dark' story emerging from this. What Rating are they shooting for?
If the casting room talked about is true, they are completely rewriting how Jake gets to Midworld.
Why? Well, one reason would be to take out the Gunslinger's fatal, bad choice. If Jake is to be a potential Breaker, whose father died in the World Trade Center attack, then it means it is this new dangerous Low Woman (redesigned to be an Australian Supermodel) who is going to try and take him. Mostly likely they will take him, and be his passage to Midworld, where the Gunslinger can find him at the station, or perhaps now RESCUE him.
In fact, if I could get away with it, I bet I could draft a summary of the script we are going to see and hit pretty close to the mark. I wouldn't be happy about it. I would be thrilled to be wrong, but I can already see the first film forming in my head, exactly the way they mean to do it.
The problem is I don't see a 'dark' story emerging from this. What Rating are they shooting for?Do you see where I'm going with this? Hollywood doesn't give a two figs for the story King wrote. They have their eye on box office. The Harry Potter series, the Lord of the Rings, the horrible Hobbit movies, etc. and now the comic book connected projects all have something in common. They are PG-13. You better brace yourself for the Dark Tower to be done that way too.Why? Well, one reason would be to take out the Gunslinger's fatal, bad choice. If Jake is to be a potential Breaker, whose father died in the World Trade Center attack, then it means it is this new dangerous Low Woman (redesigned to be an Australian Supermodel) who is going to try and take him. Mostly likely they will take him, and be his passage to Midworld, where the Gunslinger can find him at the station, or perhaps now RESCUE him.
In fact, if I could get away with it, I bet I could draft a summary of the script we are going to see and hit pretty close to the mark. I wouldn't be happy about it. I would be thrilled to be wrong, but I can already see the first film forming in my head, exactly the way they mean to do it.
I can see what you're saying yeah, maybe Deadpool will inspire them to keep an adult rating, as I heard that has done well with an R rating.
Changing important scenes like that ones you mentioned would be hard to swallow for sure. Certain things make you hate Roland at certain points, even if you understand his drive towards The Tower. Would be a shame to remove that. We can't know much yet til we see it, or get more info.
I heard they are giving Molly aka The Thing of Evil the role of Oy, or else...
Okay. I have no clue how anything I said could be construed as "biting the hand that feeds you," but that's your interpretation, so I respect that. A new journey for Roland on a completely different level of The Dark Tower? That's one way of looking at it, I guess. However, to be precise, it would be a completely different Roland -- on a completely different journey -- to a completely different level of The Dark Tower, and one I don't want to see. I get what you're saying, but I just can't reconcile Idris as Roland. He's the wrong choice for so many reasons. Love the guy's work -- totally give him credit for being a great actor, but he's completely wrong for the part of Roland, and I'm not going to change my mind on that. It's just too drastic, and is devastating to the original story. Hollywood always changes character's, or completely leaves them out. Relic was a great book. When they made it into a movie, they left out the most interesting character in the book: Agent Pendergast. In fact, all the subsequent novels are referred to as "Pendergast Novels." But Hollywood left him out of the movie entirely. Kevin Costner absolutely butchered The Postman, which was one of the best books I've ever read. It happens all the time. I'm aware of this fact, but I will always think it's wrong to change a story so fundamentally that it literally changes the story altogether.
The Harry Potter series, the Lord of the Rings, the horrible Hobbit movies, etc. and now the comic book connected projects all have something in common. They are PG-13. You better brace yourself for the Dark Tower to be done that way too.
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Harry Potter and The Hobbit were written for kids. The movies should also have been for kids.
And as I said somewhere, I think HP followed the books reasonably close.
Robert Gray
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True enough, but that doesn't change the fact that the Dark Tower series will in all probability PG-13. And in that vein, I can list volumes of things which will be cut altogether or watered down to nothing to achieve it. Think about what PG-13 entails, the limits on profanity, sex, and so on.
The episode in Tull is likely to be watered down to almost nothing (if it appears at all). I half expect it to be skipped entirely. Thinks about some of the subject matter in regards to the Preacher woman. Think about the violence. The studios won't have accepted or agreed to back the actual Dark Tower. What they want is another fantasy series to make bank on and for that they need the PG-13 crowd.
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My point was, when a book is written for young people the movie should also be written for them.
DT was not written for children. It was written for adults, so I completely agree the movies should also be for adults. (though there is nothing in it I would not allow my teen to read, even at 13)
I hate when sex or swearing or violence are added to a movie just to make the rating for adults. But, these books, the sex and violence are a part of the story. If that were the only change though, I'd be OK with it. Sex can often be alluded to...off screen iykwim...without changing anything.
DT was not written for children. It was written for adults, so I completely agree the movies should also be for adults. (though there is nothing in it I would not allow my teen to read, even at 13)
I hate when sex or swearing or violence are added to a movie just to make the rating for adults. But, these books, the sex and violence are a part of the story. If that were the only change though, I'd be OK with it. Sex can often be alluded to...off screen iykwim...without changing anything.
In Game of Thrones, filming the guy watching a girl get raped was much more powerful than if they filmed the actual rape.