Fiction and Reality

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buffymacleod

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Hello. I am an old lady from California. I wanted to send a comment to Mr. King about his introduction to The Shining, wherein he describes his fulfilled desire to create a bad-guy who is three-dimensional. That is a noble goal; one which he succeeded at reaching. I think in his introduction he is perhaps trying to say that most real villains are not two-dimensional; that there are somewhat valid reasons why they do the awful things that make them fit into the villain category. In some cases that is certainly true, however . . . I have met several villains in my life and I have to say that the worst one I encountered was one-dimensional (except, of course, for his 3-D body). The man kidnapped me and held me prisoner for two months and I got to know him inside and out. He was utterly lacking in depth. There was no psychological reason for him to be doing what he was doing to me, other than perhaps the fact that he was a sadistic psychopath, which I believe comes solely from brain chemistry. I guess what I want here is to defend myself (Mr. King indicated that shallow characters are the product of bad writing) because I have written a supernatural horror novel in which the chief villain is based on this freak (and also an old friend of mine: an incredibly shallow sociopath who told me how much he enjoyed cutting the throats of Vietcong soldiers). Mr. King is a much better writer than I; that's for certain. I have to write about what I know, while Mr. King's imagination is much more fertile and allows him to create completely fictional situations which, while dark, have glimmers of light. But despite what Mr. King has to say about flat characters, I think saying that they are always a sign of mediocrity is perhaps not entirely correct. Still--he is a much better writer than I. I am not here to criticize; simply to disagree.
 
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mjs9153

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Welcome!.. You do understand that Stephen writes fiction,correct? Sorry for what happened to you but of course fiction stories will never exactly parallel what happens in real life.. So enjoy the stories for what they are,stories,and I truly hope that you feel better about what happened to you..
 
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Walter Oobleck

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Reminded of something I read in the last day or two...perhaps here...perhaps in a foreword or afterword in one of King's stories, something about...how'd it go? something about the bad guy helping an old lady with her groceries. A moment of grace though that wasn't the phrase he used. Wish I could remember where I saw that. I don't believe I've ever met a person who did not at some moment in their life hold the door for another and don't take that literally...it's meant figuratively. And that includes more than a few playing by rules they make up as they go along. There's a great line in Steinbeck's East of Eden...I believe there are monsters born in the world to human parents. There's another that seems to offer another line-of-thought: maybe we all have in us a secret pond where evil & ugly things germinate and grow strong. Where does evil come from? Is it inherent or does it grow? Too, I think it is curious how we are readers often dismiss and minimize the bad things "good" characters are capable of committing...consider Edgar in Minnesota. Under the influence of Perce there? or a part of his make-up?
 

buffymacleod

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Welcome!.. You do understand that Stephen writes fiction,correct? Sorry for what happened to you but of course fiction stories will never exactly parallel what happens in real life.. So enjoy the stories for what they are,stories,and I truly hope that you feel better about what happened to you..
I believe I made several comments which exposed my full awareness of the fact that THE SHINING is fiction. The point I was trying to make goes like this: if a fiction writer chooses to reflect full reality in the creation of a two-dimensional villain, it is not necessarily bad writing, so I disagree with the gist of Mr. King's statements. I thank you for your kind comments.
 

buffymacleod

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Reminded of something I read in the last day or two...perhaps here...perhaps in a foreword or afterword in one of King's stories, something about...how'd it go? something about the bad guy helping an old lady with her groceries. A moment of grace though that wasn't the phrase he used. Wish I could remember where I saw that. I don't believe I've ever met a person who did not at some moment in their life hold the door for another and don't take that literally...it's meant figuratively. And that includes more than a few playing by rules they make up as they go along. There's a great line in Steinbeck's East of Eden...I believe there are monsters born in the world to human parents. There's another that seems to offer another line-of-thought: maybe we all have in us a secret pond where evil & ugly things germinate and grow strong. Where does evil come from? Is it inherent or does it grow? Too, I think it is curious how we are readers often dismiss and minimize the bad things "good" characters are capable of committing...consider Edgar in Minnesota. Under the influence of Perce there? or a part of his make-up?
I often wondered about the evil that seemed to possess every iota of my captor's being. There were times I actually thought it might be supernatural. He was a thoroughly illiterate man (this happened in Jamaica at a time when there were no free public schools) but he seemed to instinctively know sophisticated techniques for brainwashing. There were other reasons I thought it might be a supernatural form of evil, but I won't inflict the details on you. As to 'holding the door open' gestures of kindness--when this fellow did things like that, it was part of an act. He was truly one-dimensional in terms of his psyche: nothing but evil lived in his head. I too find it curious how so many people tend to dismiss and minimize the bad things "good" people do (both fictional and real characters). One true example that comes to mind is the famed incident of Coco Chanel setting a business rival on fire at a party. Most people who are aware of this think it's amusing, and I don't understand why they think that. My theory is that the majority of us are all kind of numb. Thanks for mentioning Steinbeck: I am a huge fan of that fellow!
 

buffymacleod

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...tremendous that you made it out the other side, with writing being a way to channel the bad into something positive, and it's OK to disagree with King's assessments-we just don't like it when people swoop & poop with no validity to their hateful postings...
I usually avoid all forms of online socializing because there are so very many swoopers & poopers. I wonder if most of the people who do that are drunk or something? There's a lot of irrational hate on the web--I was very reluctant to expose myself here but I have strong feelings about what is good writing and what is bad. You are right to see my writing as a way to channel the bad into something positive. In my book, the bad guy goes to prison. In reality, my bad guy went free because I couldn't afford to stay in Jamaica for a trial. So, I get to have my happy ending!
 

buffymacleod

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Welcome to the message board. I am happy that you are ok after that situation. Are you from Jamaica? If so what part.
No, I am a native Californian. I was just visiting Jamaica when all this stuff happened. I was staying in Negril. I got to go way into the back country one day, into a mountainous area where it was actually cold at night. Everyone there spoke patois with no knowledge of English. It was so remote that the children had never seen a white person in the flesh before. They crowded around me staring in fascination at my blonde hair. That was fun! They fed me ackee and rice; it was good. Are you from Jamaica?
 
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mjs9153

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I believe I made several comments which exposed my full awareness of the fact that THE SHINING is fiction. The point I was trying to make goes like this: if a fiction writer chooses to reflect full reality in the creation of a two-dimensional villain, it is not necessarily bad writing, so I disagree with the gist of Mr. King's statements. I thank you for your kind comments.
Thank You Buffy.. Like the gentle giant said sometimes people come in and criticize SK and his works just for the sake of it.. I knew that was not the case here, I just wondered if the terrible trauma that you suffered makes you want the fictitious villian to perfectly parallel real bad guys..good luck with the book,hope it is a success..think you must be very brave,not only to survive that terrible incident,but to share some of the details here. Thank you! :)