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How did Roland get Horn of Eld?

Discussion in 'General Discussion & Questions' started by BrooklynDave, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. BrooklynDave

    BrooklynDave Member

    Hi everyone. Just a question. It's been years since I finished reading the series so forgive me if this is a dumb question. I'm reading a lot about Roland "getting it right" the next time around -after the books- because he now has the Horn of Eld. My question is how did he get the horn? When book 7 ended Roland ended up in the beginning of book 1-"The man in black fled across the desert..." The battle of Jericho Hill, where Roland left the horn, took place BEFORE this time. Before Book 1. So, how and when did he get the horn "the next cycle around" if the next cycle begins after the Battle of Jericho Hill? Shouldn't he have started the cycle at Jericho Hill for him to grab the horn? Again, it's been years since I finished the series so am I forgetting something?
    Thanks in advance!
     
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  2. Dana Jean

    Dana Jean Dirty Pirate Hooker Moderator

    Welcome Dave!
     
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  3. Spideyman

    Spideyman Uber Member

    Hi and welcome.
     
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  4. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    I thought he grabbed it as he was making his way up the Tower?
     
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  5. HollyGolightly

    HollyGolightly Well-Known Member

    Welcome! My take on it was that he left the tower with a new beginning - a different journey - and this time around he kept the horn. It's entirely possible he grabbed it on the way to the tower though, kingricefan - my memory is a joke. But I like my idea too.
     
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  6. GNTLGNT

    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    ...New York Pawn Shop....
     
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  7. kingricefan

    kingricefan All-being, keeper of Space, Time & Dimension.

    ;;D
     
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  8. Spideyman

    Spideyman Uber Member

    This is a theory I read on another site (seems many ask the same question concerning the Horn)

    The tower (and Gan) has complete control over all of reality. It places Roland back into the story where the first book began, but it has also changed his history. Roland, in the reality at the end of the book, did NOT forget the horn at Jericho Hill.

    There are heavy suggestions that Gan works through the writing of the story, so if you think of Roland's history as happening when it was 'written', then we read about jericho hill after Roland pursues Walter across the desert. Thus, Roland's history was written (happened) after that. In this cycle, Roland's history will be written (occur) so that he never dropped the horn.
     
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  9. Tery

    Tery I want to look at life In the available light Moderator

    Welcome Dave!

    IIRC, there were things on each level Roland went through. One level was the Battle of Jericho and I think Roland grabbed the Horn then. That being said, my memory ain't what it used to be. YMMV
     
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  10. BrooklynDave

    BrooklynDave Member

    Also, how do we even know he has the horn this time around? Wasn't it something like -Roland reached and opened for the door at the top of the tower and...the man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed"
    The End. Nothing about him having the horn. Again, it's been a long time and I apologize if I'm way off here.
     
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  11. BrooklynDave

    BrooklynDave Member

    Ok that would make sense. I think I just need to read through the last chapter again :biggrin2:
     
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  12. BrooklynDave

    BrooklynDave Member

    Ok that would make sense
     
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  13. skimom2

    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    Nope, I remember him having it at the end, but it's been so long since I read it that I can't remember if he picked it up in the tower or if he realized he had it as he followed Walter across the desert again. I'll pull out my copy in the morning and take a gander :)
     
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  14. Arkay Lynchpin

    Arkay Lynchpin There's no "us" in tequila.

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  15. GNTLGNT

    GNTLGNT The idiot is IN

    [​IMG] ....this should help......you're welcome......
     
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  16. skimom2

    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    Since that thread, I've since seen something on Merlin that explains something about the horn and it's significance. Since that show is based on Arthurian legend as is the DT, in part, I'm wondering if Mr. King had that bit of lore in mind. If so, it makes me very happy :)
     
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  17. doowopgirl

    doowopgirl very avid fan

    Welcome Dave. Your question isn't silly at all. As you have read there are theories, but no real answers.
     
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  18. Bev Vincent

    Bev Vincent Well-Known Member

    My theory is that Roland "steps into" himself at a certain point in his next cycle, but that Roland's history is different than the Roland we know through the books thus far. This is Roland 2.0 (or 19.0, if you like)--a somewhat better Roland than Roland version 1.0 (or 18). New Roland was able to lower his eyes from the prize long enough to pick up the horn. So, New Roland is already slightly better armed to handle things from this point forward, and his journey will undoubtedly be different. Slightly, at least. Does that make sense?
     
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  19. Spideyman

    Spideyman Uber Member

    YES indeed!!
     
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  20. skimom2

    skimom2 Just moseyin' through...

    Finally got to my book tonight :) Okay, so I was right on the last bit: when Roland stepped out into the desert for what we hope is the last spin of Ka's wheel he has the horn with him, in his gunna. He reflects that he picked it up after Jericho Hill. So things have changed at this spin.
     
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