The Walking Dead ***please use SPOILER tags***

[FlakeNoir]

I just felt frustrated because...

Spoiler

Negan was right there, f'kin' shoot him already. And again in the room with the preacher... shoot him!

It just feels unrealistic for them not to. They're not new to this, they've been doing it for years.

 

[wdb1124]

Well, that was better than pretty much all of last season, though tbh that's really not saying much. I watched it back on a binge over the summer, and my original gripes didn't go anywhere. It wasn't the pace that bothered me so much (torpid though it was); it was the bounds of illogic that occurred even within that 'world'.

Spoiler

And, sad to say, that appears to have continued. A promising start was undermined by everyone rocking up to Negan's camp. Yeah, they'd taken out the lookouts. Blah blah. But what about the numbers we saw in reserve at the end of last season's finale? Were they all on a lunch break? Why would you not take Michonne, who spent a lot of last season training herself to be a sharpshooter? (Just in time, too, since Sasha copped it; contrived, much?) And when your enemy and all his lieutenants are standing roughly 30ft away, why would you not hose them down instead of standing around listening to yet another dull monologue?
Had that been followed by a trap being sprung, in a 'You rebel scum' kind of moment, fair one. As it was...no, the enemy is right there. Kill the shepherd and the sheep are yours. Zap him and his gaggle of idiots and that's it, they've already won.
But no! Out comes Negan's Impenetrable Plot Armour to save the (well, his) day, because suddenly ol' Ricky-Boy can't shoot for ****e and everyone else decides to blow off all the ammo they spent last season trying to get in smashing the Sanctuary's windows! Zap! Kapow! Take that, Savio(u)rs! That'll teach 'em!
Dumb. Just dumb. I'm guessing that scene was supposed to be tense. Instead it just had me (and my gf) going 'FFS, just f***ing shoot him!' and waiting for the inevitable climbdown. Which was a shame, because up to that point it had been a pretty decent return to something like form. (And taking Negan out in Ep.1 would have been one hell of a rug-puller.)

They're not gonna kill Negan anytime soon. I don't know if you've read the comics or not (and if you haven't and you're into that sort of thing, I HIGHLY recommend them, they're excellent), but

Spoiler

Negan hangs around in the jail they built in Alexandria, forms a weird bond with Carl (Coral ), and plays a part in the war with the Whisperers. Of course, the show may veer off from that direction completely, it's not like they haven't done it before.

On another note, I recorded The Talking Dead and watched it last night. It was nice to see some former cast members show up for the 100th episode celebration. IronE Singleton (T-Dog) seems like a fun dude and it's ALWAYS good to see Michael Rooker show up for just about anything.

 

[recitador]

Well, that was better than pretty much all of last season, though tbh that's really not saying much. I watched it back on a binge over the summer, and my original gripes didn't go anywhere. It wasn't the pace that bothered me so much (torpid though it was); it was the bounds of illogic that occurred even within that 'world'.

Spoiler

And, sad to say, that appears to have continued. A promising start was undermined by everyone rocking up to Negan's camp. Yeah, they'd taken out the lookouts. Blah blah. But what about the numbers we saw in reserve at the end of last season's finale? Were they all on a lunch break? Why would you not take Michonne, who spent a lot of last season training herself to be a sharpshooter? (Just in time, too, since Sasha copped it; contrived, much?) And when your enemy and all his lieutenants are standing roughly 30ft away, why would you not hose them down instead of standing around listening to yet another dull monologue?
Had that been followed by a trap being sprung, in a 'You rebel scum' kind of moment, fair one. As it was...no, the enemy is right there. Kill the shepherd and the sheep are yours. Zap him and his gaggle of idiots and that's it, they've already won.
But no! Out comes Negan's Impenetrable Plot Armour to save the (well, his) day, because suddenly ol' Ricky-Boy can't shoot for ****e and everyone else decides to blow off all the ammo they spent last season trying to get in smashing the Sanctuary's windows! Zap! Kapow! Take that, Savio(u)rs! That'll teach 'em!
Dumb. Just dumb. I'm guessing that scene was supposed to be tense. Instead it just had me (and my gf) going 'FFS, just f***ing shoot him!' and waiting for the inevitable climbdown. Which was a shame, because up to that point it had been a pretty decent return to something like form. (And taking Negan out in Ep.1 would have been one hell of a rug-puller.)

i agree with parts of this

Spoiler

at no point has any of negans lieutenants, save dwight and eugene, proven themselves to be anything other than the worst sort of people. maybe it's supposed to be that because dwight jumped ship they think they can convince others? which at the same time doesn't make much sense since they're just killing lookouts and people at other outposts all willy nilly. no reason not to shoot at negan while he's just standing there acting like he doesn't have a care in the world.

i did like that the episode was action packed, and that they were taking care of business, including morgan, who was stretching the pacifist thing a bit beyond credibility for awhile there. they added gabriel and aaron to the main credits, which doesn't bode well for them, because those back end credit adds are favorites for sacrificial lambs. and i'm not really a fan of the time jumping thing. it gives plot armor to people, and that's not interesting. neither is anything that was going on in that time jump. unless it was a weird dream, in which case it's even more useless. oh, and a final note, i liked rick's little badass moment when the guy started talking crap about his son and instead of putting him out of his misery he just sicced a walker on him. give no ****s rick really spices things up.


i kind of get the michonne thing though, leaving a few of the really good fighters behind as protection. i liked gregory getting comeuppance as well, unfortunately they immediately spoiled that by not letting him get killed, and having gabriel do the stupid thing and try rescuing him, only to get trapped while, of course, gregory steals his car and leaves him behind.

 

[recitador]

I just felt frustrated because...

Spoiler

Negan was right there, f'kin' shoot him already. And again in the room with the preacher... shoot him!

It just feels unrealistic for them not to. They're not new to this, they've been doing it for years.

agree, they're not going to kill him anytime soon, so they should really strive not to put him in situations where it makes absolutely no sense for him to survive, having people go against the incredibly natural thing to do, which is put that animal down, no hesitation.

They're not gonna kill Negan anytime soon. I don't know if you've read the comics or not (and if you haven't and you're into that sort of thing, I HIGHLY recommend them, they're excellent), but

Spoiler

Negan hangs around in the jail they built in Alexandria, forms a weird bond with Carl (Coral ), and plays a part in the war with the Whisperers. Of course, the show may veer off from that direction completely, it's not like they haven't done it before.

On another note, I recorded The Talking Dead and watched it last night. It was nice to see some former cast members show up for the 100th episode celebration. IronE Singleton (T-Dog) seems like a fun dude and it's ALWAYS good to see Michael Rooker show up for just about anything.

i'm aware of this aspect of the comics, but the above covers how i feel about their handling of it.

 

[wdb1124]

agree, they're not going to kill him anytime soon, so they should really strive not to put him in situations where it makes absolutely no sense for him to survive, having people go against the incredibly natural thing to do, which is put that animal down, no hesitation.



i'm aware of this aspect of the comics, but the above covers how i feel about their handling of it.

I kinda tend to let that stuff slide in fiction. It's been going on for so long now (see any James Bond movie, any superhero comic/movie, Harry Potter, Star Wars, etc.) that I've just grown accustomed to it. In a real life setting, by all means, blow his brains out. But then we'd be left with no story and I'm not quite ready to let go yet!

 

[Mr Nobody]

They're not gonna kill Negan anytime soon.

And that's fair enough, but then they need to stop putting him in situations where he definitely would die.

EDIT: Just read other comments (sorry!). The difference between Negan and someone like James Bond is, in the Bond movies you know exactly what you're getting going in. In fact, half the 'fun' is in seeing what daft thing the villain is going to do and how Bond gets out of it. Plus he's the protagonist, not the antagonist.

 

[wdb1124]

And that's fair enough, but then they need to stop putting him in situations where he definitely would die.

Unfortunately, that can be said for a lot of the main characters. Certain people are simply off limits, and we know it. So there's less drama when they wind up in a perilous situation. I will admit that following the source material sometimes causes the showrunners to write themselves into a box.

 

[Mr Nobody]

Unfortunately, that can be said for a lot of the main characters. Certain people are simply off limits, and we know it. So there's less drama when they wind up in a perilous situation. I will admit that following the source material sometimes causes the showrunners to write themselves into a box.

Yeah, that was definitely true of Rick last season (and a few other times before, in fairness). And of course there was the whole Glenn fiasco.

 

[recitador]

Unfortunately, that can be said for a lot of the main characters. Certain people are simply off limits, and we know it. So there's less drama when they wind up in a perilous situation. I will admit that following the source material sometimes causes the showrunners to write themselves into a box.

sometimes it's all on the writers though. the mishandling of the season 6 finale comes to mind as one of the most boneheaded things they could have done to handle that story. if they were being proper about giving us real impact, it would have been one of them in the finale, and surprising us with the other one in the opener. instead, 6 months or so to just stop caring who it is. has impact for those who can binge it, but totally ruined that whole storyline for a lot of people watching it live.

 

[wdb1124]

sometimes it's all on the writers though. the mishandling of the season 6 finale comes to mind as one of the most boneheaded things they could have done to handle that story. if they were being proper about giving us real impact, it would have been one of them in the finale, and surprising us with the other one in the opener. instead, 6 months or so to just stop caring who it is. has impact for those who can binge it, but totally ruined that whole storyline for a lot of people watching it live.

Part of the problem with the season 6 finale/season 7 opener was that everyone and their dog knew that

Spoiler: Although I can't imagine anyone is still in the dark about this...

Glenn was gonna meet his demise courtesy of Lucille. I think the ONLY reason Abraham (man I miss Abraham) got killed too was so that they could still insert an element of surprise into the episode. All things considered, though...Abraham should have died earlier. In the comics, he got the crossbow bolt through the eye that Denise got on the show.

 

[Dana Jean]

Well, that was better than pretty much all of last season, though tbh that's really not saying much. I watched it back on a binge over the summer, and my original gripes didn't go anywhere. It wasn't the pace that bothered me so much (torpid though it was); it was the bounds of illogic that occurred even within that 'world'.

Spoiler

And, sad to say, that appears to have continued. A promising start was undermined by everyone rocking up to Negan's camp. Yeah, they'd taken out the lookouts. Blah blah. But what about the numbers we saw in reserve at the end of last season's finale? Were they all on a lunch break? Why would you not take Michonne, who spent a lot of last season training herself to be a sharpshooter? (Just in time, too, since Sasha copped it; contrived, much?) And when your enemy and all his lieutenants are standing roughly 30ft away, why would you not hose them down instead of standing around listening to yet another dull monologue?
Had that been followed by a trap being sprung, in a 'You rebel scum' kind of moment, fair one. As it was...no, the enemy is right there. Kill the shepherd and the sheep are yours. Zap him and his gaggle of idiots and that's it, they've already won.
But no! Out comes Negan's Impenetrable Plot Armour to save the (well, his) day, because suddenly ol' Ricky-Boy can't shoot for ****e and everyone else decides to blow off all the ammo they spent last season trying to get in smashing the Sanctuary's windows! Zap! Kapow! Take that, Savio(u)rs! That'll teach 'em!
Dumb. Just dumb. I'm guessing that scene was supposed to be tense. Instead it just had me (and my gf) going 'FFS, just f***ing shoot him!' and waiting for the inevitable climbdown. Which was a shame, because up to that point it had been a pretty decent return to something like form. (And taking Negan out in Ep.1 would have been one hell of a rug-puller.)

I agree with your spoiler. I was saying the same thing to my TV screen.

 

[Dana Jean]

I just felt frustrated because...

Spoiler

Negan was right there, f'kin' shoot him already. And again in the room with the preacher... shoot him!

It just feels unrealistic for them not to. They're not new to this, they've been doing it for years.

agree

 

[arista]

Spoiler

I have not read the comics. So, I was totally thrown off by old man Rick. Anxious to see how that plays out.

 

[recitador]

Part of the problem with the season 6 finale/season 7 opener was that everyone and their dog knew that

Spoiler: Although I can't imagine anyone is still in the dark about this...

Glenn was gonna meet his demise courtesy of Lucille. I think the ONLY reason Abraham (man I miss Abraham) got killed too was so that they could still insert an element of surprise into the episode. All things considered, though...Abraham should have died earlier. In the comics, he got the crossbow bolt through the eye that Denise got on the show.

well they knew that was supposed to be the case, but it wasn't necessarily so, they've changed things like that around before, case in point the one you mention. doing the order they did but making the change i suggested still could have lent some surprise to it, but they gaffed the whole thing instead, with the stupid way they did it.

 

[Chiana]

Part of the problem with the season 6 finale/season 7 opener was that everyone and their dog knew that

Spoiler: Although I can't imagine anyone is still in the dark about this...

Glenn was gonna meet his demise courtesy of Lucille. I think the ONLY reason Abraham (man I miss Abraham) got killed too was so that they could still insert an element of surprise into the episode. All things considered, though...Abraham should have died earlier. In the comics, he got the crossbow bolt through the eye that Denise got on the show.

I didn't know!

Spoiler

I had no idea who was going to die, so it was shocking to me to that they both got killed. I must admit that I was more broken up about Abraham's death than Glenn's. I've never read any of the comics so whatever happens is usually a surprise to me.

 

[wdb1124]

I didn't know!

Spoiler

I had no idea who was going to die, so it was shocking to me to that they both got killed. I must admit that I was more broken up about Abraham's death than Glenn's. I've never read any of the comics so whatever happens is usually a surprise to me.

I knew

Spoiler

Glenn was gonna die, from having read the comics. I figured Abraham would die at some point, because he got killed in the comics. I wasn't expecting him to be Lucille's first victim, though!

 

[osnafrank]

I just felt frustrated because...

Spoiler

Negan was right there, f'kin' shoot him already. And again in the room with the preacher... shoot him!

It just feels unrealistic for them not to. They're not new to this, they've been doing it for years.

Yap, i agree

Spoiler

The whole Crew was there, including "I`m Stone Cold Negan" Eugene, there was a free Field of Fire

 

[GNTLGNT]

 

[osnafrank]

The Rick Grime Evolution.

From "Sorry this happened to you" to "Shut Up"

 

[mjs9153]

I don't know what to say..watching the aftershow,talking dead,was ridiculous.It seems they are way,way over the rainbow with their own celebrity or popularity or whatever you want to term it as.Frankly,the first two seasons,maybe into three,were great for me,but it seems to me they are just trying to one up the story line,more silly ways to off somebody,special effects out the wazoo,explosions,etc...I do really like the originals in the cast,and some of the ones that came aboard after,but I would be okay with ending the show.Hearing the guy,was it Gimple,say we may go on for another hundred episodes or whatever it was,not a big fan of that.All good things must come to an end,and being wise enough to craft a good ending and let it go,would be my inclination..but with so much money,merchandise,and other stuff at stake,it may go on till even the most diehard fans are sick to death of it..