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[Moderator]

Sounds good in theory, but it was physically impossible for anyone to have read it and comprehend it before the required vote was taken. Not one single member of Congress read it before they voted on it, because although many in Congress might be considered to be sub-human, they weren’t super-human. But it sounds to me you think the Republicans actually did their job by not voting on it because they weren't given time to read it. Hey, once again we agree... forecast hell?

No, that isn't what I was saying at all. Our nearly unblemished record stands.

 

[DiO'Bolic]

No, that isn't what I was saying at all. Our nearly unblemished record stands.

So the Democrats did their job by voting on it without reading it? I'm soooooo confused, as Vinnie Barbarino would say.

 

[Sigmund]

The "Pause For Safety Act" would also allow police to temporarily confiscate any firearms the person may already own."

That would be excellent IMO.
In his manifesto didn't Rodgers state if the police had asked to search his place they would have found his cache and "...it would be all over..."

I was thinking, when law enforcement gets a call and they have a name can't they run the name through some database and see if they have any firearms? At least legally obtained weapons in their name? (Weapons obtained illegally or belonging to someone else would not show up but at the very least they would have some idea.)

In addition, can't they ask the person if they have any weapons and may they. please, see them. If the person refuses w/o police having a warrant...would that raise a flag or two?
(I'm asking because I have seen police pull over vehicles and when they ask for permission to search the vehicle and the person refuses a K-9 unit soon arrives and they just circle the vehicle and if the dog reacts to a gun (gun powder) or drugs, ta da! Probable cause.)

IDK there's has to be more we can do.

Was it Ms. Shasta that mentioned more money for mental health programs? (Again, money for the mentally ill is hard to come by because the mentally ill do not donate money to political parties and don't vote so...no interest from the politicians. Crud.)

Peace.

 

[fushingfeef]

I wonder if sociopathy is on the rise or what. We rarely get to learn anything from these incidents because so many of the perps end up dead or in jail. It's a sad situation.

 

[Moderator]

Sounds good in theory, but it was physically impossible for anyone to have read it and comprehend it before the required vote was taken. Not one single member of Congress read it before they voted on it, because although many in Congress might be considered to be sub-human, they weren’t super-human. But it sounds to me you think the Republicans actually did their job by not voting on it because they weren't given time to read it. Hey, once again we agree... forecast hell?

Not to hijack the thread any more than it already has been since this is supposed to be about gun control, but you can read the Wiki history here and from what I'm seeing they had more than enough time to know what they were voting on and could have given this bill their priority--maybe on their August break for example--rather than trying to weasel out of it by claiming they hadn't read it.

 

[Moderator]

That would be excellent IMO.
In his manifesto didn't Rodgers state if the police had asked to search his place they would have found his cache and "...it would be all over..."

I was thinking, when law enforcement gets a call and they have a name can't they run the name through some database and see if they have any firearms? At least legally obtained weapons in their name? (Weapons obtained illegally or belonging to someone else would not show up but at the very least they would have some idea.)

In addition, can't they ask the person if they have any weapons and may they. please, see them. If the person refuses w/o police having a warrant...would that raise a flag or two?
(I'm asking because I have seen police pull over vehicles and when they ask for permission to search the vehicle and the person refuses a K-9 unit soon arrives and they just circle the vehicle and if the dog reacts to a gun (gun powder) or drugs, ta da! Probable cause.)

IDK there's has to be more we can do.

Was it Ms. Shasta that mentioned more money for mental health programs? (Again, money for the mentally ill is hard to come by because the mentally ill do not donate money to political parties and don't vote so...no interest from the politicians. Crud.)

Peace.

That's the argument many (I believe the NRA is among them) use to fight any background check legislation because they claim it would create a database that "they" could use to disarm Americans because they would then know who all the gun owners are and target them first. Possible, but not probable, and sounds a lot more like paranoia to me.

 

[Sigmund]

That's the argument many (I believe the NRA is among them) use to fight any background check legislation because they claim it would create a database that "they" could use to disarm Americans because they would then know who all the gun owners are and target them first. Possible, but not probable, and sounds a lot more like paranoia to me.

Uh, huh. Well, all my guns are legal, registered and in my or my sons name. And if "they" want to disarm Americans we probably wouldn't be high on the list of Americans to disarm (giving us plenty of time to grab all our weapons and head for the hills...ha!)

It's the people who go to gun shows and buy a crapload of weapons that have been modified and not registered that I am *paranoid* of.

If you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing.

Peace.

 

[DiO'Bolic]

Not to hijack the thread any more than it already has been since this is supposed to be about gun control, but you can read the Wiki history here and from what I'm seeing they had more than enough time to know what they were voting on and could have given this bill their priority--maybe on their August break for example--rather than trying to weasel out of it by claiming they hadn't read it.

One last point.

On March 9, 2010, Pelosi said of the Affordable Care Act, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.” And also said, “We’re in the trenches fighting this out,” “We don’t even have a bill written yet.”

Fact is the final draft of the bill, with all the added goodies, was not given to Congress until later that month, right before the vote was taken.

 

[Shasta]

Now what's that old saying "When you assume you..."

Except that I was right.

 

[DiO'Bolic]

Except that I was right.

No you wern’t... Wait, of course you were my dear. Ahhhh, you don’t own any guns do you?

 

[booklover72]

prayers to everybody who perished and remember the familes what they are going through.

I am a warm person but i have become immune to this sort of thing. Like i said, i live in a working class estate on the bad side of dublin. There is a Betting shop near my local shop. this guy walks in and shoots in cold blood a person who job in selling illegal narcotics to users. Murders of innoncent people are commonplace, Dubliners who should be proud of our hertiage will not go int Dublin City Centre at night for fear of rape, attacks or being shot for just wanting to have a night out. The irish police do not want guns. I pray they change their minds These Creatures who will kill you for 50 euro debt have no compunction to kill a mother with two children or a father who is out for a quick few. They will say it was mistake, that doesn't bring the person who was murdered back. The justice system is crap. apparently if you are from the southside of dublin and have money it i ok to touch a woman up. pay her 500000 euro and get off scot free.

There is a program coming to America called Love/Hate which portrays these people, with their big cars, their 100000 mansions etc. if it is on tv watch it. because it is Dublin you may need a dictionary to understand the slang. There is a REAL dectective on the drug squad in the program he is an amateur actor, and his professional supervisor has changed him to something different within the police. IT is realistic and you will get an insight into how these people work. it is well watched, i refuse to watch anything which glorifies drugs. Watch it when it comes, and let me know your opinion.

P.s they are making an american version of Love/hate. I am aware of the problems of gangs in L.A etc and Kids killing kids etc. I am sick of it.

RIP to the police whose only problem was to care about others and protect the innocent. and to the civilans.

 

[Riot87]

In Kingston we have the same problem. Sometimes i feel like i'm back there again with all the shootings.

 

[Sigmund]

The latest

Social media accounts paint chilling portrait of Las Vegas cop killers - Yahoo News

Peace.

 

[Kurben]

When i read about things like this i'm glad about living in Sweden. Not saying that everything is perfect but it's sure a lot safer than over there. We also have problems with mentally ill or misguided persons but since they have big problems getting hands on guns they don't cause as much damage. I remember a couple of years a mentally ill person going around in town and waving an axe in his hands. Caused a scare of course but no body was hurt and the police took care of him. Imagine if he had had guns.

 

[Moderator]

One last point.

On March 9, 2010, Pelosi said of the Affordable Care Act, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.” And also said, “We’re in the trenches fighting this out,” “We don’t even have a bill written yet.”

Fact is the final draft of the bill, with all the added goodies, was not given to Congress until later that month, right before the vote was taken.

Fact is they had at least two years before implementation to make changes, if necessary.

 

[DiO'Bolic]

Fact is they had at least two years before implementation to make changes, if necessary.

Heck, they had more than two years and billions of dollars to get a successful launch with the state programs and federal website. How did that go? The best change over those two years would have been repeal of a law the people didn’t want, that increased costs, increased gov’t spending, forced people off their insurance, lost jobs or had hours cut... and that was tried numerous times. And with the deadline now gone we still have just about as many people uninsured as before, for something that has ripped the country apart in the process. But the only good thing to come out of it will be the Democrats shall pay a hefty price at the polls this November because of it IMO.

 

[Moderator]

Heck, they had more than two years and billions of dollars to get a successful launch with the state programs and federal website. How did that go? The best change over those two years would have been repeal of a law the people didn’t want, that increased costs, increased gov’t spending, forced people off their insurance, lost jobs or had hours cut... and that was tried numerous times. And with the deadline now gone we still have just about as many people uninsured as before, for something that has ripped the country apart in the process. But the only good thing to come out of it will be the Democrats shall pay a hefty price at the polls this November because of it IMO.

Sigh....not true for everyone and you know that. I won't continue to hijack the thread and once again will agree to disagree so that the original topic can be discussed.

 

[DiO'Bolic]

Sigh....not true for everyone and you know that. I won't continue to hijack the thread and once again will agree to disagree so that the original topic can be discussed.

Groan... yes, it’s not true for everyone in every fashion. And a few have benefited like those with pre-existing conditions and the poor. But just about everyone has been negatively affected one way or another because of it, for as you know it is each and every one of us who is responsible for all that government spending on subsidies with money we don’t have. ATD (Agree To Disagree), the new acronym here at SKMB.

Back to the topic. I lament that we can’t just feel sorrow and sympathy for the families and friends of these tragic incidents resulting from hate or mental illness. It always seems to morph into some anti-gun or gun control rant which then escalates into a confrontation from the two sides of the issue, and takes away from the original purpose of these posts which should be of sympathy and condolences. I’m as guilty as some others, but as far as I can recall I haven’t started any of the battles... and have just gone on the defensive.

 

[Moderator]

Groan... yes, it’s not true for everyone in every fashion. And a few have benefited like those with pre-existing conditions and the poor. But just about everyone has been negatively affected one way or another because of it, for as you know it is each and every one of us who is responsible for all that government spending on subsidies with money we don’t have. ATD (Agree To Disagree), the new acronym here at SKMB.

Back to the topic. I lament that we can’t just feel sorrow and sympathy for the families and friends of these tragic incidents resulting from hate or mental illness. It always seems to morph into some anti-gun or gun control rant which then escalates into a confrontation from the two sides of the issue, and takes away from the original purpose of these posts which should be of sympathy and condolences. I’m as guilty as some others, but as far as I can recall I haven’t started any of the battles... and have just gone on the defensive.

Perhaps it's because until we do something about gun control, the scale at which these are happening is going to continue and something needs to be done other than saying "not another one!" and feeling sorry for the lives that were lost.

 

[DiO'Bolic]

Perhaps it's because until we do something about gun control, the scale at which these are happening is going to continue and something needs to be done other than saying "not another one!" and feeling sorry for the lives that were lost.

ATD!