Bikers in Waco

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swiftdog2.0

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Flake, my thoughts exactly--I was thinking this was something that came out of SOA when I read this :/ Terrible!

Unfortunately, it's not that uncommon of an occurrence. Usually not as many people involved at once but there are frequent and bloody smaller skirmishes between the gangs pretty frequently.
 

stevegane

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I have a diverse family. We have an annual pig roast around Independence Day. Sometimes members of a motorcycle club (some would call them an outlaw gang), friends to my wife’s aunt and uncle (that owns the pig roaster) show up. They like showing off their bullet wounds. But they are told, respectfully as there are kids around, to be on their best behavior or they have to leave. And the uncle is the enforcer. I always have a couple of bottles of Jack Daniels on hand just incase they show. Also, many police officers attend the pig roast, friends of my son-in-law the cop. We’ve never had any problems in 12 years we've been doing the pig roasts. And what’s most interesting is the gang members and the cops usually huddle together under some trees, drinking (although the cops never have more than 1 alcoholic drink), laughing and talking about bikes. The gang members even let the cops jump on their bikes and take them for a spin. Last year 4 extremely good looking girls who just finished competing in a Spartan Race up the road stopped at our pig roast. They saw we were having a party and asked if they could join in. I said sure, everybody’s welcome, as long as they act as family and just have fun. When they were ready to leave that evening they thanked me for a wonderfully crazy time and all the good food and drink, and said nobody back in Ohio would believe the day they had here, so they took lots of pictures.

Sounds Wonderful...
 

Sigmund

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Hi!

I'm wondering, these biker gang members shot at police officers, intel claims other bikers have been told to travel to Texas and confront police and the gang members are well known to be criminals so, why aren't there a bunch of SWAT, riot police, Hummers armored vehicles out there prepared for what ever the heck can happen?

Just asking.

Have a good one!
 

Lepplady

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I've got a froot loop on my blog that claims that she's got one of these biker gangs at her beck and call, ready to run out and "get" anybody she says. And she calls them out by name as her buddies. It's ridiculous. I mean, how stupid does somebody have to be to throw these names around so carelessly. Do they look or sound like they play around? I sure don't think so.
 

GNTLGNT

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I can see the appeal of bikes. I can understand people wanting to ride them, I can understand people wanting to associate with like minded people and be part of a brotherhood, but violent motorcycle gangs - I'm sorry, but them killing each other is not going to cause me to lose much sleep. I wonder how old these people were, the black/Latino gang wars in the West coast of the USA is mostly fought between young men who have a glamorised image of gang life, and by the time they're 30 or so regret their whole lifestyle. The violent bikers just don't seem to grow up, I've seen police shows about them and they all have grey beards or white moustaches and none of them look younger than 40. Those kind of bikers are doing the world a favour cleansing the gene pool a bit by taking themselves out of it.
...you said it right there..."I've seen police shows about them"...a lot of the older bikers are the ones who lead....and I have a white beard and mustache, and am over 50-but I can still kick ass, what's your point?...you don't like them?...fine...I'm not gonna break bread with them either, but I sorta understand the machismo and certainly respect them...
 

ghost19

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Hi!

I'm wondering, these biker gang members shot at police officers, intel claims other bikers have been told to travel to Texas and confront police and the gang members are well known to be criminals so, why aren't there a bunch of SWAT, riot police, Hummers armored vehicles out there prepared for what ever the heck can happen?

Just asking.

Have a good one!

There will be Sig. There is protocol for multiple threats to LE officers like these idiots are trying to come off as. It will come down to who can call the most backup.......and there is no limit to how much backup LE can call upon from the local, county, state, and federal level if needed. The biker gangs will stomp their feet, act stupid, and maybe try to gang up on a few cops if they have the numbers to their liking, but at heart, they're like any other bullying gang. If you punch them in the nose hard enough, they'll back off, and if you put several hundred of them in prison, they'll get the message. And, of course, when you start enacting the RICO statutes on the biker gangs, you can take down just about their entire hierarchy. The biker gangs have seen what happened to the mafia when the FBI starting using the RICO statutes back in the 70's and 80's, it pretty much took the mafia down as far as being a major player in organized crime. Outlaw biker gangs want to be like the mafia but they usually stick to their own territory and don't try to rock the boat as far as getting the FBI or other federal agencies involved because they've seen what happened. The first time they try and take on LE in large numbers it will backfire on them. The biker gangs know this. My prediction? This event fizzles out as far as the gangs descending on Waco. The bosses of the respective chapters know that threatening or trying to retaliate against LE is tantamount to having their property, money, and everything else seized the minute the case goes Federal. We have a local chapter of the OMG here in my city and they've been stomped on several times by both local and Federal agencies. They run drugs, dabble in prostitution, and several other vices, but they do it outside of the city or they farm it out to crappy want to be biker gangs trying to make a name for themselves. The logic being, don't $h!t in your own backyard. Safe night to you ma'am.
 

The Nameless

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...you said it right there..."I've seen police shows about them"...a lot of the older bikers are the ones who lead....and I have a white beard and mustache, and am over 50-but I can still kick ass, what's your point?...you don't like them?...fine...I'm not gonna break bread with them either, but I sorta understand the machismo and certainly respect them...
Like I said, no problem with bikers or having a white beard and moustache - I'm sure my beard will ne grey one day too, my issue is with the people who think that an essential part of being a part of a motorcycle club is fighting and killing.
 

PatInTheHat

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...the people who think that an essential part of being a part of a motorcycle club is fighting and killing.
:umm:
What???
"essential part...", maybe just a little strong, maybe ya think?
Now I don't know about you, but me, I've known quite a few bikers in my day, club members, from small local clubs, larger clubs with national club affiliations, and from the big bad rep nationals, known a couple "enforcers", one in particular was peanuttier than a outhouse rat, and I ain't never met or known a single one that fits the description of who you just described...hmm, maybe I'm just lucky?
Most all ain't no different than most everybody else, got jobs, a family, morgages and car payments, bitch about the same things yada yada yada...ya just don't spit on their colors, no way no how, and that don't take no guess work, I'm pretty sure most everbody, with any modicum of common sense, knows this, as it's pretty common knowledge, no secret there is what I'm sayin'.
Me, I ain't never had one problem, and though I've often been mistaken for a biker, I sure as hell am not, don't much care for bugs smackin' in the kisser at 50 mph, prefer cowboyin' the heavy Chevy with four tires surrounded by metal, two wheels on America's too fast paced, and cell phone blabberin' roads, no thank you very much.
That's just plumb crazy in my opinion, and I never hesitate to mention that when I'm asked by a 'hard core biker', if, or what, I ride, and yet here I am, live and kickin'....hmmm, got my grill work bashed in by a few Catholic college 'young republicans' what decided I needed more glass ashtray in my diet, perhaps you have them confused;)
 

The Nameless

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:umm:
What???
"essential part...", maybe just a little strong, maybe ya think?
Now I don't know about you, but me, I've known quite a few bikers in my day, club members, from small local clubs, larger clubs with national club affiliations, and from the big bad rep nationals, known a couple "enforcers", one in particular was peanuttier than a outhouse rat, and I ain't never met or known a single one that fits the description of who you just described...hmm, maybe I'm just lucky?
Most all ain't no different than most everybody else, got jobs, a family, morgages and car payments, bitch about the same things yada yada yada...ya just don't spit on their colors, no way no how, and that don't take no guess work, I'm pretty sure most everbody, with any modicum of common sense, knows this, as it's pretty common knowledge, no secret there is what I'm sayin'.
Me, I ain't never had one problem, and though I've often been mistaken for a biker, I sure as hell am not, don't much care for bugs smackin' in the kisser at 50 mph, prefer cowboyin' the heavy Chevy with four tires surrounded by metal, two wheels on America's too fast paced, and cell phone blabberin' roads, no thank you very much.
That's just plumb crazy in my opinion, and I never hesitate to mention that when I'm asked by a 'hard core biker', if, or what, I ride, and yet here I am, live and kickin'....hmmm, got my grill work bashed in by a few Catholic college 'young republicans' what decided I needed more glass ashtray in my diet, perhaps you have them confused;)
OK, I'll try this one more time.

At no point have I said all, most, or even a lot of bikers act or think like that. I said some associate violence with being a part of the gang. You can know a load of bikers who are nice people - I'm not disputing that, but you can't say that biker gangs have not been known to fight over territorial dominance with a fatal outcome. It's just happened in Waco. It may not be as prevelint as it once was, but there are still bikers out there with the mind set of "this is ours, get out or we'll kill you", just like every other type of gang.

There is a show called The FBI Files, which documents real cases. I remember one case where they were trying to infiltrate a biker gang but couldn't go undercover within the gang because they're initiation for new members was attacking a rival biker gang member.

So yes, there are some bike gangs for whom violence is part and parcel of the gang life.
 

PatInTheHat

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OK, I'll try this one more time.

At no point have I said all, most, or even a lot of bikers act or think like that. I said some associate violence with being a part of the gang. You can know a load of bikers who are nice people - I'm not disputing that, but you can't say that biker gangs have not been known to fight over territorial dominance with a fatal outcome. It's just happened in Waco. It may not be as prevelint as it once was, but there are still bikers out there with the mind set of "this is ours, get out or we'll kill you", just like every other type of gang.

There is a show called The FBI Files, which documents real cases. I remember one case where they were trying to infiltrate a biker gang but couldn't go undercover within the gang because they're initiation for new members was attacking a rival biker gang member.

So yes, there are some bike gangs for whom violence is part and parcel of the gang life.

okay I hear ya, but you didn't say, some, you said, the, and while not implying all, or probably even most, you made it sound substantial, that is there are so very many who live for, it being essential I believe you said,.for violence and killin' all willy nilly, and it ain't...now, willing, that might be another conversation, like suggesting a possibility many, perhaps most, might well be xenophobes, at least to some degree.
 
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Dana Jean

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OK, I'll try this one more time.

At no point have I said all, most, or even a lot of bikers act or think like that. I said some associate violence with being a part of the gang. You can know a load of bikers who are nice people - I'm not disputing that, but you can't say that biker gangs have not been known to fight over territorial dominance with a fatal outcome. It's just happened in Waco. It may not be as prevelint as it once was, but there are still bikers out there with the mind set of "this is ours, get out or we'll kill you", just like every other type of gang.

There is a show called The FBI Files, which documents real cases. I remember one case where they were trying to infiltrate a biker gang but couldn't go undercover within the gang because they're initiation for new members was attacking a rival biker gang member.

So yes, there are some bike gangs for whom violence is part and parcel of the gang life.
I have an acquaintance, youngish woman, single, 2 kids, took in her addict sisters two very small children, worked 40 hours at fast food, no insurance and ended up with breast cancer.

A biker group raised 3000 for her.
 

PatInTheHat

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I have an acquaintance, youngish woman, single, 2 kids, took in her addict sisters two very small children, worked 40 hours at fast food, no insurance and ended up with breast cancer.

A biker group raised 3000 for her.

A most excellent point, bikers and m.c.'s raise boatloads of dough, for so many individuals when there's no one else, and so many charities, particularly for children and veterans...I just met a group, not club, that are doing the local veteran honor guard, placing flags on local vet graves.
 

The Nameless

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I have an acquaintance, youngish woman, single, 2 kids, took in her addict sisters two very small children, worked 40 hours at fast food, no insurance and ended up with breast cancer.

A biker group raised 3000 for her.
Good for them, they're not the people I'm talking about.
 

Lepplady

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I think I've posted this before.
This is my sister, in the white helmet, riding the white bike.
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It was a toys for tots run, and she says this was a fraction of the motorcycles involved.
Her bike's name is Prrrl, and her license plate says "You just got passed by a girl."
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She's proof positive that a biker can be badass as f*ck, but still not kill people.
 

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One of my friends has a brother and sister in law that live in Waco. I texted my friend to see how they were doing and she said her bro and in law were right down the street having lunch when it happened. The FBI, cops, and SWAT teams are out in full force and have it under control for now. I heard more bikers from other outlaw gangs are headed that way though.
When I was stationed in Germany I used to know and hang out with a biker club. They had the jackets, patches, road names etc. Nicest guys and gals and this was military.
I have it on my bucket list to learn how to drive a motorcycle but the older I get the further down the list it falls....
 

hipmamajen

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I don't understand the bike thing, but I can understand being part of a family that I would kill or die for.

My chosen family has a much higher threshold for what is considered an offense worth getting violent over, though. I imagine most do.

I can see myself putting some serious hurt on a person who is attacking a child, for instance. But no matter how much of a jerk about it they are, I am not killing someone over a parking space...